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Wedding in Thurlestone, Tiara Appearance Planned, & November Get-Away?

Sunday, August 16, 2015

Good morning all! [Update: Rebecca English has confirmed that Kate was not present at this wedding. This explains why there were no pictures. :( I have left the original text, but now that this update negates...almost everything. :)  Apparently, the Duchess was with William on the trip down, so it is a bit of a mystery. She may not have wanted to attend the wedding, but perhaps they still spent the weekend as a little get-away? Walking the area and sightseeing? ] Apparently,  William and Kate snuck away to Cornwall this weekend for the wedding of Bear Maclaine and Daisy Dickson in the seaside of village of Thurleston in Devon. To my frank disappointment, no pictures have emerged, but perhaps that is for the best on this one occasion since this weekend has been so highly charged with discussion of paparazzi photographs, etc. I suspect Wills and Kate made a mini break of it, since Devon (and Cornwall more broadly) is such a beautiful part of England. I assume the wedding took place at All Saints in Thurlestone, but that is pure speculation:

All Saints, Thurlestone

When the two attended a wedding in Suffolk on the weekend of their first wedding anniversary,  they stayed with other guests at the country inn that had been rented for the wedding and enjoyed breakfast with other guests the morning after the wedding.



Hopefully, this weekend, they enjoyed the sweeping seascapes and light hiking areas of the region before returning to Norfolk. Kate's sister Pippa was also at the wedding, in addition to a number of the royal couple's social circle, so it would have been a very festive environment. 

It is very likely that Kate recycled an ensemble as she often does when attending a wedding. I think part of the reasoning on this is usually that Kate does not want to upstage the bride, but more and more I also think it is simple practicality. She has so, so many beautiful pieces in her wardrobe and she can only wear them a few times in public, if that. Sometimes for a wedding she adds a new element to a recycled ensemble, as she did for Zara's wedding:


She might mix and match two pieces she has worn before, but not together, as she did to this family wedding:



Certainly, she might wear something new (publicly unseen, at least), as well, as she did when she chose this Beulah London dress:


In short, I have no idea what she wore, but I bet it was lovely. If pictures emerge, I will certainly inform you. Hopefully, the Cmabridges had a lovely time! This young woman shared a post on Instagram detailing her own get-away in Thurlestone, and the area looks idyllic:


A photo posted by Megan Evans (@meggles_london) on



Yesterday, we had some more very happy news: relief is on the way. We will be seeing TRH the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge out together in October (if we do not see them sooner). When William visited China earlier this year, he personally invited President Xi Jinping to visit the United Kingdon, and his invitation was accepted. The Palace announced:
The President of The People’s Republic of China, Mr Xi Jinping, accompanied by Madame Peng Liyuan, has accepted an invitation from Her Majesty The Queen to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom during October 2015. The President and Madame Peng will stay at Buckingham Palace.
This didn't really catch the particular interest of Royal Watchers until lovely Twitter friend CepeSmith spotted an announcement in the London Times stating that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will attend the State Banquet when the Chinese president visits. This news is made even more exciting because as a white tie event, Kate will be in a floor-length dress and wearing a tiara.  We have only seen Kate wear a tiara twice, and only once when fully visible, so I think the anticipation for this event will be quite high:



There is obviously a correlation between William's visit to China and the Cambridges planned appearance at the State Banquet. Just as when the President of Singapore and his wife made their visit, the Cambridges--who had visited Singapore as part of the Diamond Jubilee Tour--welcomed them at their hotel. At that time, some had held out hope the two would also attend the State Banquet, but those hopes were doomed to be disappointed. This October, we should finally get our tiara appearance!



In the vacuum department: the word on the street is that Kate and William will be taking a family vacation to Mustique in November. I know there is some confusion as to whether this will supplant the Middleton family holiday that takes places annually in late January/early February. There is nothing to suggest this is the case. I would also add that all details about this planned holiday are tentative at best. We have no absolute confirmation, the Cambridges may not be planning this vacation at all, or may be planning it for a different locale. I think they are probably planning a get-away, but I am surprised that they would choose Mustique unless they already know they will not be able to make the Middleton gathering over the winter.



If they are planning on Mustique, I think it is likely because of the strict privacy laws on the island and of course, their own familiarity with the hideaway, which will make it easier for them to juggle with two young children. The story from Katie Nicholl also says that the Cambridges will bring Carole to keep an eye on George and Charlotte... I hope it is true, and I suspect sometime this fall a vacation will take place, but I think this story needs to develop a little more before we can more certainly guess the here, when, and who. 

Ok, all y'all. That's it from Jane for the moment. It has been a busy weekend here on the blog! I will be back this week, though, so we won't have the same long dearth of posts that we did these past two weeks. Again, my apologies on that one!  Happy Sunday! 

82 comments:

  1. Hi Jane,
    New commentator here! I always follow your blog because I love it and I like the tone you use when you write, your posts are lovely, always well written and appropriate:)

    This is such an exciting news! We could have the possibility to see Kate wearing a tiara since her wedding practically ( we had only a glimpse of the Papyrus). It will be a precious opportunity for William e Kate, whereas one day they will be king and queen, to learn how perfectly run a State Banquet. I'd like to see Kate wearing the Papyrus tiara instead of the Halo tiara, but I think It's more likely the second one. Anyway she will wear a tiara and It's enough for me! I hope Kate wil also debut a new gown paired with new earrings or her wedding earrings, they are so beautiful.

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    1. I hope too that Kate will attend the State Banquet but I think she'll wear a Papyrus Tiara, not Cartier Halo Tiara.

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    2. Agreed, I think she'll save the Cartier Halo tiara for a very special occasion...more special than this visit :-) Because of the sentimentality of the Cartier and Kate's wedding, I wonder if one day it will be gifted to her...

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  2. You have a very pretty and interesting blog :)

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  3. Last time we only seen a hint of the lotus tiaria, don't get too excited.

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  4. Sonja from BavariaAugust 16, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    It would be so great to see Kate wear a tiara! I mean, what are the perks of being a royal if you don't wear a tiara ocasionally? ;)

    I really hope it will be the Papyrus tiara (or another one she has never worn before) - I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Will we get good pictures this time (or only some pics of them arriving in the car)?

    This is only my guess, but I think there are plans that the Cambridges will undertake a tour in early 2016 and they will again take their children with them so they want Charlotte to get used to flying/being in a plane for such a long time before. (I really hope that they will tour the Carribean!) Maybe such a tour or other official engagements are the reason why they can't take part in the annual Middleton holiday in january/february?

    Can't wait for the State Banquet!

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    1. I've heard other speculation regarding a tour early 2016, too. Makes sense, since they tend to vacation before a tour. They left George at home with Nanny Teresa before Australia/New Zealand, but maybe they won't want to with Charlotte being this young.

      Timing of November also makes sense, because December is busy with the holidays, so if they need to get away before an early 2016 tour, November seems the most logical.

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  5. This is all very odd. Why would Kate be on the train but not attend the wedding?


    Also I will be happy to see any crown since there have only been two occasions. What excites me is whether or not Kate had received an Order from the Queen. Anybody have any opinions?

    Nina

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    1. Kate could have received an order from the Queen after George's birth, but I'm not too sure because the Queen is a bit strict when we talked about order and honors. Sophie, who is the Queen favorite, had recived an order after five years of marriage... However the only think we can do is waiting :) (royal watcher's job)
      I'm curios to see what will happen

      For the wedding I don't know what ro say... You are right it's all very odd

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    2. On closer examination according to the other blog which most here seem to frequent as well, it appears that the train spotting was not related to the wedding. Will and Kate were spotted on a train together on the Tuesday and then again on Friday. Will travelled to the wedding himself. Kate was not in Devon.

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    3. Hmmm, the Queen better start getting generous with Kate! She has birthed two children and been a huge blessing to her grandson, the future King.

      Kate has NOT attended several weddings since they have been married. There is a bunch of speculation...and personally I don't think "she doesn't want to upstage the bride" is a good enough reason. I believe some other theory is at play, but don't know enough to determine which one is the most probable.

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    4. Regarding an order, the Middleton's also need something. A title, an order, whatever. They have been incredibly gracious, discreet and loyal. They have loved William and provided him with stability, patience adn support. They provided an educated, lovely, polite, well-mannered, willing daughter to support the future King, and birth/raise/love heirs. They are hands-on. Etc. I fear if the Queen doesn't do it, Charles won't. I could see William doing it out of deep affection and thanks...if he is that traditional to believe in the importance of these when the day comes that he is King.

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  6. I also think it's odd that Kate would make the trip to Devon and not attend the wedding. And where are the photos of William at the wedding? (Also as a side note - as I'm sure our British friends will also tell you - Devon and Cornwall are separate counties. Both incredibly beautiful but separate.) Still, it is strange that she would go and then not attend. Are we sure she went at all.

    I also think it strange that they have planned a vacation this fall after Kate has been on maternity leave for so many months. This is not going to do anything to deter the complaints about how often they do their jobs or the controversy over the letter this weekend. I am always one of the first people who defend their right to vacation and denounce the paparazzi but I don't think any amount of PR or damage control will be helpful here. If it's true it is ill advised. If they want the British people to support them they need to reestablish a more public face because they are, while not in full-time royal service while William is working, senior royals who need to be seen.

    The State Banquet and the tiara are very good news, indeed! I kind of hope for a new one! After all - there a lot of them to choose from. If she's going to wear them so seldom let's see a new one! I'm also excited to see a new gown and accompanying jewelry!

    Sorry for being so negative but the current temperature of public opinion must be considered if they want to be supported.

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    1. RobinfromCA it is all odd.

      I have read some news here and there that suggest that Kate may be suffering from post partum depression. I hope this is not true but since things seem so off with her lately it does make me wonder????

      She seemed well at the christening but we women seem to plough through for these sort of things even when we are feeling at our worst.

      Another poster on another site made the comment that Kate appears 'weary' more that not lately. More than she did in the beginning years. I am sure being married less than 5 yrs and two toddlers would make anyone 'weary'. I hope nothing is seriously wrong .

      Agree with the assessment regarding the vacay in November. Everyone keeps saying they are not FT royals ....maybe not but they are the heir to the heir and have the heir and the spare in tow. Maybe they are living more privately and I am happy they have that option. However, I am beginning to feel like they are not pulling the weight they should be as behest their role. Which again makes me wonder if something is going on with Kate?

      Or maybe she is just tired! Maybe she didn't go to the wedding...maybe William didn't go to the wedding. Maybe there was a train but not a train to Devon... LOL

      Guess we have to wait...
      Nina

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    2. This is true, Nina. And wait we will. I do hope she is not suffering from postpartum depression. That would be very difficult to get through with all the negativity surrounding them right now. Given the climate on the post regarding the letter from KP it seems that nobody would sympathize with her if they released a statement saying she was indeed suffering from this most discouraging ailment. Maybe they've just thrown their hands in the air and taken the stance that they can't win not matter what so they may as well do as they please. I have to admit that, if I were coming under the kind of fire they are, it's what I would do!

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    3. I have been wondering if something was amiss as well. Aside from the State banquet, there have been no additions to Kate's fall calendar. I assumed that her maternity leave would wrap up once the August break ended, but perhaps that's not the case. I am typically a defender of the royals, and have a soft spot for William and Kate, but it is starting to feel as though they are having trouble figuring out where they fit. Are they a typical young family, with young children living their lives? Ehhh, sort of. Are they full time royals? Not yet. They don't seem to have a clear path, or more likely, the public doesn't seem to have a clear picture of where they fit.

      I TOTALLY understand their desire to live a normal, private life. BUT, at some point, they do have to recognize that the public wants (and perhaps even deserves?) some sort of access considering their roles as public figures and William's role as a future head of state.

      I know they are not full time royals yet, but considering that their family of four has two future kings among them, it would seem that their PR team would be encouraging positive (and controlled) public appearances, photo calls, or similar. It seems that there has been a feeling of alienation towards both the press and the public, particularly since Princess Charlotte's birth. I hope that there is nothing serious going on, but as Robin has pointed out, if there was, an announcement from KP might garner some sympathy and understanding.

      Obviously there is nothing we, as royal watchers, can do but speculate, but starting with Princess Charlotte's birth, when they did not speak to the press, to the seemingly uncomfortable balcony appearance at Trooping the Colour, to a rather empty calendar, not to mention KP's open letter regarding paparazzi, there seems a relatively new aloofness towards the press in particular, and I just hope that their public profiles don't take a hit.

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    4. First, W&K took a lot of flack for their Seychelles trip when George was a baby. It was trip after trip (Scotland, etc) and people were frustrated. So if the pattern continues this time - planning vacations with no to little engagements scheduled - it's history repeating itself. So at what point do we lower our standards? If the Queen wanted them to work, I think they would be. So it is obviously approved.

      Second, regarding Kate's calendar, it is quite common for them to announce her engagements on short notice. Wait and see.

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    5. Please everyone. Kate is only a little over 3 months post-partum. It is August a netoriously slow time. Since the birth do Charlotte, Kate has done Trouping of the Colours at 5 weeks, followed by the polo appearance with George. She then arranged Charlotte's christening that turned into a major event so the public could participate. She arranged a birthday party for George and then did a Charity function in Portsmouth. All before being 3 months post delivery plus caring for a very active 2 year onl. I am not sure what piece of her everyone wants. She may have a Nanny, but she does not work 24/7 and she can not brest feed Charlotte.

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  7. Perhaps you are not aware that women in the UK are entitled too 12 months maternity leave. In fact Catherine is not a paid employee, but as people in the UK understand maternity leave, it is rather a shorthand way of referring to her time with her children. Why should she have less time than others?

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    1. I did not know that and I stand ....corrected.

      I am worried more than bothered about hwr leave.

      Nina

      Thanks

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    2. Now that you mention it, I have a friend who was living and working in the UK when her first child was born and she had 12 months off. Although, she was a five day a week employee, with very long hours each day. I understand the mindset but I don't think Kate's light royal schedule is taking away from time with her children.

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    3. Maggie - MinneapolisAugust 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM

      I'm not at all denying that Kate has the right to spend time with her children, but I feel like it's a little simplistic to say women in the UK have the right to 12 months of maternity leave. Only around 15% of women can actually afford to do this, because after a few months, their salary is hugely decreased and they cannot afford to not keep working (aside from the fact that Kate didn't have a full-time job which is also a requirement for the maternity leave). Kate did not lose any security funding or renovation money because of her maternity leave(s).
      Again, I think she absolutely deserves the right to spend time with her children. But I think it's unfair to full-time working mothers and their right to maternity leave to Kate, who has far more help and would not be expected to work full-time even if she started working "regularly" again.

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    4. Hello ladies, this is starting to stray into a discussion about whether Kate works enough or not, which is a topic we try and avoid on this blog, as it has been discussed in great detail already, and because Kate is not an average woman. Attempting to apply standards can be very difficult. If I may gently push the conversation away from this, I would like to. Thank you for your understanding!

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    5. Sorry Jane

      I was leaning more to the hope she is 'ok' versus working enough. I never found her to be slacking. I just read about possible depression and wondered if maybe that is why she is MIA more from weddings etc .

      My apologies.

      Nina

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    6. Agreed, Jane. My point was that Kate is not the average woman but can see how it seemed otherwise. Sorry.

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    7. Canada also has 12 months maternity leave. It works out to about $800 every two weeks, so $1600 a month. Most women make more than this when they work full-time, but it helps pay the bills while they enjoy time at home and adjust. Some employers will "top up" for a certain period. My employer with "top up" to ensure I get my full salary for the first month, then the remaining 11 months are at $1,600/month.

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    8. THANK-YOU JANE!
      mk

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  8. Ditto the oddness re the wedding, and IMO, the equally odd suggestion that William and Kate are planning a trip to Mustique in November; I mean, how would Katie Nicholl, come by this information, unless, of course, it was deliberately leaked. Nevertheless, I hope such is the case; Kate has not had a real vacation in quite some time as opposed to, say, Beatrice of York. (According to the ever-vigilant Daily Mail, Princess Beatrice has taken 17 vacations within the past twelve months...and still counting. And they have pics to prove it.)

    Really, really hope that the story about William and Kate attending that State Banquet is true. Well past time, IMO. And while others will be checking out which tiara Kate wears, I will concentrate on whether or not the Queen has finally seen fit to award Kate with the Family Order, also well past time, IMO.

    Robin, re your remarks on any vacation, I tend to agree that public opinion may not favour same, but I am inclined to think that William and Kate should discount such; in the grand scheme of things, this won't matter much--its not in the same sleazy category of Andrews antics, for example. The most important thing, surely, is that William and Kate get some happiness out of the crummy life they lead.

    JC

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    1. You made me chuckle, JC, given the tone about the letter from KP where so many were touting the privileged life they lead. I'm more on your side that living in a fishbowl cannot be much fun and that William landed there because of the circumstance of his birth and not of his own choosing. I just thought that since the public opinion is so negative right now they might want to wait on that. On the other hand, maybe it will all have blown over by then. Or, as I said above, they feel like they can't win so they're going to do what they want.

      I agree that it is time for the Queen to award Kate with the family order. In the four years they've been married she has spent 18 months of that time providing heirs to the throne (and being quite ill while doing so) and another six months (at least) recovering from giving birth to said heirs. In between times she has gone on two majors tours overseas and several smaller ones. I think she's proven herself to the family and deserves such an honor.

      I neer pay much attention to the Yorks so I was unaware of their vacations. No wonder Charles wants to reduce the baggage of too many royals on the dole!

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    2. Robin, my thoughts precisely re the Family Order; however, the badge itself--plenty of mini-diamonds involved--doesn't come cheap. Unsure whether holders of this badge of honour must return them to the Crown/Queen upon their death. If so, the parsimonious Queen may be waiting for someone to conk out, much as I disagree with such a mindset. I believe someone above remarked that Sophie received the Family Order after five years, BUT if it is the case that the same badges must revert to her/the Crown, upon the death of the holder, the Queen would've been flush as Diana, the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret had all recently died. Since then, the Queen has doled out one to Sophie and another to Camilla, which should leave her with one left--unless I am missing someone.

      HMTQs niggardliness when it comes to sharing jewellery/her wealth is well-documented. She would hesitate, I think, to commission a new badge, were it necessary. Gone are the days when she commissioned new tiaras--the last, I believe, for Sarah, then The newly minted Duchess of York.

      Initially, Robin, I, like you, paid no attention to the Yorks, or, for that matter, to any Royal. However, once Kate came along, my imagination was captured. When she married William, I needed to put her in context, and that meant following other Royals, altho to a lesser extent. I highly recommend this approach.

      JC

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    3. JC, I have followed the royals since Diana came on the scene. I even followed the Yorks when they first got married and I actually met Fergie when I was a representative at an official opening she conducted. (She was late.) Scandalous since I'm one of those horrible Yanks but, there you have it! But, in recent years the only thing I've noticed about them is when they are gracious enough to include Sarah (she was banned for so long), which they should given her status as the mother of Beatrice and Eugenie. The only other thing I ever notice is the hideous hats those two princesses have a tendency to wear. (Really, what were they thinking at W&K's wedding?) Oh, and I also have noticed that Andrew, who was the best looking of the Queen's children, has gotten quite fat. Maybe he's gained a pound per scandal. (Was that rude?)

      I like Sophie and am glad she received one of those coveted Family Order badges but, as a future Queen, Kate shouldn't have to wait for someone to die. Especially if Camilla has one. (Don't get me started.) If HM is going to be that frugal, just take one back from one of the feeble oldsters who can't carry out any official duties anymore. She's the Queen, they have to give it to her. (Ok, that was rude.)

      I also hope that some of the fabulous jewels that were gifted to Diana at the time of her marriage will be available to Kate. She could have them restyled to suit her tastes. Even Diana had some of them restyled during her lifetime. Those gorgeous emeralds HM gave her as a wedding present come to mind! Kate would look fantastic in emeralds! It's time for Kate to dig into the family vault and sparkle a little. Maybe at the upcoming State Banquet!

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    4. Can I also add regarding the order, when will Mike & Carol get recognition? I remember when George was born many speculated Michael would receive a title - George is the first heir to not have grandparents with titles.

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    5. Is it necessary to give a title to the Middletons? If it did happen and they accepted one then they would not be a modern middle class family but would be more like the Boleyns who thrust two daughters into King Henry 8th's bed for favours and titles.

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    6. Anon 12:03, I tend to agree with you. It would not do them any favors.

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  9. I find it interesting that so many of these comments take it for granted that the Cambridges want the support of the public at all. What if they really just do not care and do just enough to keep the Queen happy? If it all disappeared tomorrow would William care at all? He'd still be a rich man with a happy family and would maybe get more privacy. I'm not British so I could just be totally wrong - but I just don't think he cares to pander to public opinion at all!

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    1. He may not want to pander to the press or public but he has been raised with a strong sense of duty - even from his mother before she died. That's something ingrained and I think he probably takes it very seriously. He just doesn't need to be quite so "out there" until he is Prince of Wales and I think he's relishing his current role. If the Queen or Prince Charles felt that W&K needed to be more public I think they would say something and it would be carried out.

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    2. She or one of the children must have been sick. There is not another reason that would do.

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    3. That is the simplest and most logical explanation. All the money in the world can't help you with a croupy baby.

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  10. I was planning to stay on the sidelines here but Anon 11:05 you prompted me to start typing :)

    The Cambridges may not want the support of the British public, but if their hope and wish is to keep the monarchy going, they NEED the support of the British public, as well as the British press. (because few Brits get to see the royals in person, their "relationship" with the royals is through the press)

    It is well understood that the monarchy as we know it today and as you all have been watching it will cease to exist in the weeks and months after Her Majesty's death. There is a respect for HM like nothing else, even grudgingly from people who don't care for the royals. She was unexpectedly cast into this role (because of the abdication of her uncle) and at a very early age (because of her father's sudden death) and she has handled it impeccably as a magnificent head of state and figurehead - which is her role. The rare criticism she received after Diana's death was ironic, given it was the one time in her life she put her family and grandsons first, the boys at the time loved Balmoral and she felt it the best place to give them space to grieve. (Even Diana would wonder how to come up with summer holidays that could compete with Balmoral)

    Not many would publicly question the future of the monarchy while she is alive, it would be a verdict against everything she has devoted her life to. Despite his high emotions and anger after his mother's death, William would never renounce the throne while his grandmother is alive and making her happy means he has to show that this matters to him, that she didn't devote her life to something in vain. She is after all about to become the longest serving monarch in British history. But after she dies, people who have been keeping mum will be speaking out, and our future King Charles is well aware of that.

    It will be a very different royal family in the next decade or so, and if William wants to keep it going after that he will have to do things and behave in ways that may seem difficult for him.

    I suspect as he gets older, and sees the enormous national shock to HM's death (because it will be like nothing Brits have ever seen) he will be drawn back to his family's ways and traditions, and realize what an opportunity he has. I find that happening to many of my set as they get older, what they ran away from when they were young, they return to when they're older. (if you don't believe me, check back in a decade or so!)

    Now back to talk of tiaras and holidays :)

    Claudia

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    1. I agree, Claudia. Many of the old traditions, pomp, and ceremony will cease when HM dies. It's expensive and, even for a frugal Queen, she is used to doing things a certain way. What's considered expensive for one is different for another depending on the perspective. Charles will really need to step up when that happens and, if he's smart, he will definitely make Camilla the consort and not the Queen. Given Charles' age I think William realizes he will become King at a much earlier age than his father. Best to get the family time and rest in now!

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    2. Boy you guys are wrong. The pomp and ceremony is part of the draw to the BRF. Hopefully it won't change that much.

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    3. Claudia, I do agree with you and suspect that many people *are* "keeping mum" (about many things) while the Queen is alive. It will be a very different story when Charles rides to Westminster Abbey with Camilla at this side. I want the Queen to live forever, but I do hope to witness it all.

      Regarding William... I do not believe he is reluctant or unwilling as people suggest, but he may be frustrated because he does not have complete control over his (and his immediate family's) circumstances. Wouldn't most of us feel this way? I'm sure the Queen has dreamed of running away with the corgis (and PP on a good day). :)

      William was born to be king and raised with the knowledge of what lies ahead. He lived in a home where his parents were not happy together, or united in their priorities. He witnessed the tabloid exploitation of his parent's marriage, and the impact the royal "system" had on his mother. And as if that wasn't enough, he lost her at a vulnerable age.

      If you factor all of this in, I would say he has done quite well. When he does royal duties, he appears to be engaging and approachable. And on the personal side, he married for love and appears to be very committed to his wife and children. Not bad progress from one generation to the next.


      As far as taking on more duties...of course he will. But right now the short term game plan of the Firm includes one of the issues that people are keeping mum about.......and that is Charles being crowned with Camilla at this side. W&K are in semi-limbo status at this point. I do not believe it is their choice (i.e. that they refuse to do more), but I do believe it works for them while they raise their young children. And it certainly keeps the spotlight where it needs to be right now...on the mum issue. :) All kidding aside, as much as PR has "accomplished", when "that day" comes....look out...because it will be the equivalent of setting public memory back to factory/default settings and it may be a bumpy ride to the Abbey.

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    4. I wasn't really referring to pomp and ceremony Anon 9:15, you're right it is a draw though I wouldn't be surprised to see subtle changes to reduce it. I was referring more to the family, the titles and particularly royal residences. It's believed Charles' camp was behind a "trial balloon" some years back, that after HM's reign, BuckPal be used as a year round museum with govt offices. That would go a long way toward making it self sufficient (the goal for royal residences) and King Charles would likely keep Clarence House and possibly make Windsor Castle an official base. Again, this was according to sources and believed to be a trial balloon to gauge reaction. The royal residences are a tremendous drain on finances as we saw with the renovations of Princess Margaret's apt for the Cambridges.

      I'm tempted to give the BuckPal move more credit, given recent reports that it needs to be vacant for approx 18 months for extensive and expensive renovations. It would be a way to transition, and would soften the blow of the expenses to taxpayers if it would be paid back through year round revenue. Also when KP defended the apt expenses they said it would be the Cambridges residence till William became King, which surprised many but makes sense if King Charles will still be occupying Clarence House.

      I don't think Charles will make a decision without William's input and agreement, and I hope Charles is generous to his siblings. He has to remember theirs is the role his own son Harry will be in as William and family grow into the Prince of Wales role. May be hard for many of you to believe but Andrew was the Harry of his day!

      Claudia

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    5. I agree with you, Claudia, that Charles will definitely cut down the dependents. The Queen had a tendency to grant quite a lot of benefits to her cousins. All well and fine in its time but now that cannot be popular or cost effective. It seems perfectly reasonable that William and Kate will occupy KP until William is king because, had Charles and Diana not divorced, that's where he would have still been living. He ended up at St. James's Palace until the death of the Queen Mother. I do hope they keep the state rooms in tact and use the balcony for appearances though.

      My question is, how come they haven't been keeping up with the maintenance of BP all these years? It's a large place and I'm sure HM and PP could have moved rooms during some construction. It seems like common sense to keep things well maintained instead of having the place fall apart around them. It's what we all do with our houses. The term "penny wise and pound foolish" comes to mind.

      I do think Charles will take care of his siblings and I know William will take care of Harry. It's a promise he made to Diana long ago. There are a lot of apartments at KP. W&K live in Princess Margaret's old place. I wonder if Diana's old digs are being saved for Harry.

      I do remember the days of Randy Andy. He was good looking and had all kinds of scandalous women - including his foray into a relationship with a stripper, Kiki Somebodyoranother. Then he married Sarah because of that little old matchmaker, Diana, and HM and PP knew and liked her father. They seem to still have a good relationship despite their divorce. He became a war hero in the Falklands and seemed to have settled down. Sadly, in recent years he has, once again, become somewhat scandalous. It's too bad because he had far more appeal than Anne or Edward. I think we forget to credit Edward for the first of the Queen's children to marry for love and to wait until he was sure. His marriage seems to have born out the wisdom of not meddling in their affairs as he is the only one of HM children who has not been divorced. OK, enough history!

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    6. Claudia, when HM came to the throne, it was reported that she (and Prince Philip) wanted to remain at Clarence House and use BP as offices and for official entertaining. It was vetoed by Churchill.
      Maybe the government will be more receptive next time.

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    7. It was "Koo Stark" Robin :) Not to mention the time he asked Selina Scott for her number on live television before they went to break... she declined!

      I actually believe Charles always intended to move his family to Clarence House after the Queen Mother died, it's been used as a base for the "second in command" in his family. Charles was there with his parents before the King died and they moved to BP, and basically "switched" with the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret.

      And I agree, that's a very appropriate term to use for the repair fiasco that we're dealing with now. The Queen herself may be to blame, she can be penny wise to a fault, plus she grew up in these buildings and sometimes it's hard to see the deterioration happening around you. Maybe people have tried to bring it to her attention before and she's brushed it (and them) off! But they've been accused of outright mismanagement now in recent reports, and it will be such a public row and debate with the amount needed - which will no doubt escalate.

      As I've said in other instances, delaying the inevitable generally only makes things worse :)

      Claudia

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    8. Sorry, in my above post I missed "I hope". Should read "Boy, I hope you guys are wrong"
      Anon 9:15

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    9. RobinfromCA Edward marrying for love? They seem a tad awkward and friendly with each other, perhaps a bit affectionate. He may have more been looking for a reliable companion he could share interests and duties with. I have never picked up on *love* or passion. Or maybe they are much more private.

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  11. well I guest love its a family order and I think she working that time

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  12. Jane, I'm guessing you've seen this? What are your thoughts? The fact that Kate now has two kids doesn't seem like enough of an explanation for a near total absence from a social life, if this is article is correct....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201634/Mystery-Duchess-Cambridge-misses-wedding-minute.html

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    1. More telling than the article is the response from the people below it. I hope all is well with Kate but I also hope she has a really good reason for missing this wedding. The extremely late notice that she wouldn't be there is not in good form at all. Let's all hope there was a reason good enough to not offend the bride because an RSVP had obviously been sent.

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    2. Wonder if any one thought that maybe one of the children was sick. Most Mum's would stay home to care for them.
      I certainly would not put even a grain of salt into the story in the DM. They have been known to spin a yarn so to speak and have had to retract them on occasion.

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    3. Most likely, it was health related (Kate or one of the children). I sincerely doubt that she woke up and changed her mind on a whim.

      Pippa did not attend with a boyfriend, correct? This would support the idea of her standing in for Kate at the last minute.

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    4. Maggie - MinneapolisAugust 19, 2015 at 6:43 PM

      If Kate or one of the children was sick, isn't it odd that William didn't leave right after the wedding ceremony but instead stayed through the next day and night?
      I'm starting to become convinced that this story is weird/wrong bc most reasons for her canceling so last minute would seem like reasons William should have left early (unless he's just not a great husband/father). And if it were marital problems, why would Pippa go at all, or stay afterwards and dine with William? Same with Middleton family problems. I think the facts aren't right, although there's still the bigger question of why Kate rarely goes to these occasions ever these so last few years (which seems odd but is perhaps overblown).

      Royalfan - pippa goes to these outings all the time nowadays without a boyfriend - I imagine because Nico doesn't live in the UK anymore.

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    5. Pippa standing in at the last minute? Travelling like that at the last minute? Nico misses several events now that he lives in Switzerland. Pippa also frequents society weddings that William and/or Harry do.

      I think it is most likely health. But heck, maybe they had a blazing row and Kate refused to go and fake nice in public? Unfortunately I've only seen one photo of William and one photo of Pippa so it doesn't quite guage their attitudes that day.

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    6. Maggie, I had forgotten about that...thank you.

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    7. I find it really strange that Pippa and William both stayed over the whole weekend. I would think if Kate or one of the children were sick William would have returned home the next morning. Also I do think there might be something going on in their union.
      I think KP needs to say something regarding why Kate missed the wedding. This all quite on the western front does not look well for this couple who are supposed to be madly in love with one another.

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  13. Well!! We keep being told that William and Catherine were seen together on a train on Tuesday and Friday---wondering were these trains were going. Were they unconnected journeys?
    The DM lists some of Catherine's missed engagements--the Van Straubenzee wedding was, of course in Northumberland about a week before George was due---idiotic to travel all that way at that time. Then there was the funeral of William's nanny---they had a joint engagement that day in the north East. Catherine went alone, leaving him free to go to the funeral.
    Probably most of the others had an equally good reason.


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  14. I hope Kate is okay. All these absences are pretty noteworthy - having plenty of friends with young families (and no nanny available), I know social events can be tough to juggle, but they do it. And I've stopped buying the "taking attention away" excuse; Kate has gone to a select wedding or two, and she can be discreet. What's up?

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  15. How about a simple explanation....It sounds to have been a last minute cancellation so perhaps one of the children is sick? And if William took Pippa along, perhaps she was mistaken for Kate by the ''train-spotters''.

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  16. I'm just sitting here amazed that Catherine has been diagnosed with post partum depression, accused of shirking
    her duty to attend weddings and wear a pretty dress, castigated for possibly taking a vacation in a few months, and-oh, yes-
    wrongfully claiming maternity leave.
    She looks tired -that is the basis for the diagnosis; as Jean points out, the DM apparently neglected to present all the
    facts about the weddings and by the way.....this was news recycling at its most blatant, from the way some here have reported. The bride and groom are the
    ones who should express any indignation-none of anyone else's business; the November possible trip to Mustique-any way this could
    actually be coordinated with a Caribbean State visit? Finally, maternity leave rights. Really? When did Catherine ever claim to
    be owed maternity leave?
    The amount of speculation and even judgement based on unverified statements that amount to little more than rumor....
    But I forgot . Catherine married William and signed up for all this. So it is ok.She has no rights. She has no human feelings.
    She is a Royal, after all. One that rose out of the ranks of the common people, to boot. How dare she.

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    1. Rather harsh comments.

      The commentsecond as I saw them were all of us just 'wondering' about it all.

      No one said she HAS post partum depression. No one said she is OWED maternity leave.
      No one said she IS shirking her duties.

      Most of us are concerned. She does look tired but as I said and many others said....she has two toddlers. No one was pointing at finger has far as I can tell....except maybe ...you at the us.

      I don't read anyour judgement here. Initially even Jane found some of this odd until the facts started to role in ....

      I would say that ALL OF US believe Kate to be human and that she has rights. That is why we are all here on this blog because WE LIKE HER AND WISH HER THE BEST.

      I am sitting here amazed at your comment. I totally respect your opinion but seems to me that you are judging all of us...... JMHO

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    2. Rather harsh comments.

      The comments as I saw them were all of us just 'wondering' about it all.

      No one said she HAS post partum depression. No one said she is OWED maternity leave.
      No one said she IS shirking her duties.

      Most of us are concerned. She does look tired but as I said and many others said....she has two toddlers. No one was pointing at finger has far as I can tell....except maybe ...you at the us.

      I don't read anyour judgement here. Initially even Jane found some of this odd until the facts started to role in ....

      I would say that ALL OF US believe Kate to be human and that she has rights. That is why we are all here on this blog because WE LIKE HER AND WISH HER THE BEST.

      I am sitting here amazed at your comment. I totally respect your opinion but seems to me that you are judging all of us...... JMHO

      Nina

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    3. Nina, people have different interpretations and I respect your opinion, but I can appreciate the frustration behind Anon 11:07's comments.

      This is a general observation, but I believe there is a fine line between asking questions and debating the possibilities vs. hoping for and seeking out the dark cloud version of events. You may wish her the best, but not everyone does...

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    4. Well said Nina! None of the comments have been based in ill will as far as I can tell.

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    5. I get your point royalfan but the post seemed snarky to me. I am very well aware that the DM is a RAG that stirs the pot with assumptions and sometimes bold lies. But we all read what is out there in an attempt to get the whole story. Piecemeal. I just think discussion is what we do here. . All of it.. bad and good. I tend to ignore the troll comments. I just felt the comment was more than a 'general observation'. But then we all know about how tone and meaning can be lost in this forum.

      As I said I respect everyone's opinion. So I stated mine LOL

      Thank you Faith

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  17. Nina, I read Anon's 11:07 PM comment as as more or less frustration with people jumping to all kinds of conclusions based on an article that told only what they wanted to convey. This publication IMHO is far from journalism. Many fact were left out of the article as also mentioned above. This is the way rumors get started and that is what is harmful to Kate and William. I know from following this blog you are a great supporter of William and Kate, but a few here are not and use every opportunity to cause a ruckus sort of to speak. Nothing wrong with "wondering" if we have all the facts, but when we don't is when it can cause a problem.

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    1. Agreed Eva B ~

      I can 'wonder' without total believe from a source.... as I said above we all tend to read whatever is put there. I am aware that the DM is not exactly TRUTH.

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    2. The DM article was not the only source for this story Eva although their's was the most elaborated upon. If we are going to say that there can be no speculation on this blog until we have all the facts, we will be discussing next to nothing here. No one except the Cambridges have all the facts to anything they do. I didn't read any conclusion jumping here, only plausible conjecture.

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    3. Faith, that made me laugh but you're quite right! If people speculate wonderful, positive, romantic possibilities, they shouldn't be offended if others speculate a "less rosy" picture let's say. As you said, only the people directly involved ever know what's really going, and even then there's usually 3 sides to the story: hers, his, and the truth :)

      Also just want to point out that whatever problems the DM has (and there are many) Sebastian Shakespeare is not one of them. He is known to be impeccably sourced on the social circuit and I would suspect his information came from the bride or groom themselves. Just to keep in mind if an article has his byline.

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    4. Good to know!

      I adore the name Sebastian. .. haaaa


      Thanks Claudia

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  18. I "wonder" if the Queen is depressed or something-she rarely smiles except for photos and seems to fear touching
    people, as she wears gloves constantly; I "wonder" if "Nora," for example (not from this blog) is OCD, as she
    seems to react emotionally to facts not involving her; I "wonder" if the Earth is about to be invaded by aliens from
    outer space-I heard part of a newscast on the radio that could relate to that.......
    This last "wonder" is taken from history. That rumor lead to mass panic.
    Eva B. and royalfan are correct. Wondering is dangerous without the facts. Wonder around your friends and family, but
    don't spread it around the internet.mk
    If we would have nothing to discuss without quoting the tabloid press, what use is this blog?
    I believe that Jane has in the past and will continue to provide topics that can provide the basis of mature discussions,
    based on what is known, not just rumored.
    Conclusion jumping/plausible conjecture. How is multiple people wondering about Kate's mental state/marriage health anything short
    of rumor spreading, lacking a psychiatric or other report?
    At least we aren't speculating about her pumping and expressing schedule, as was covered in depth on another comment site.
    The conclusion by some? Kate never nursed Charlotte! Plausible conjecture?
    Even on a slow news day.....




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    1. Maggie - MinneapolisAugust 19, 2015 at 6:34 PM

      Even the writer of this blog engages in conjecture from time to time (see posts about Kate's fitness regime for ex). By the way I think that's completely fine. But the reality is that we know very VERY little about Kate, and about 90% of conversations on any blog about her are conjecture (good and bad). You can't be okay with stuff like "Kate is obviously a great mom" and yet be offended by "something seems wrong with Kate." It's all guesswork. I think conjecture is bad when it comes with judgment - like if someone says she is having marital problems and then condemns her for it. But most of us seem to be expressing concern for her, not judgment. And like I said, I really think it's impossible to follow Kate without participating in conjecture because 90% of her life is lived extremely privately, and we've barely even heard her speak. Even before her marriage, one of the things people found so interesting about her was how little we knew about her. That continues to this day, and if we didn't have some conjecture about her life, we would really have nothing to talk about.
      Btw this is classic media/pr 101 - there is extra negative conjecture about her in the media right now bc the Cambridges have not given us something else to talk about. I'm not trying to make this about whether or not Kate can work bc I believe in her right to spend time with a newborn, but realistically, working less definitely has its negative side effects bc it provides the media and public very little to talk about.

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    2. Maggie - MinneapolisAugust 19, 2015 at 6:38 PM

      Sorry one more thing - when I say judgment is wrong - I mean it's wrong if you say it without an acknowledgment that it may not be true. I do think it's fine to be like "IF the mustique trip is really happening, it seems like a bad or move," but just being like "omg how dare she?!" is eh.

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    3. Let me get emotional Anon 4:49. And I can assure you that "Nora' is not OCD. She is rather tired of the same old click here ruling the roost. Anybody that comments against the "click' is typically shut down.

      You really don't think that I don't see this is directed to me? I assure you I am not 'crazy' there is no report on me. I let 3 ppl read this blog and this post and all said ... Yeah that is at you.

      I guess some of us just don't play the game like you old timers. I like the blog Jane but after watching and reading for a few months it is clear how this really works. I assume this post will not see the light of day.

      New blood and opinion is always a good thing. But apparently not here. The change to Nora and the use of 'wonder'... ... shame on you for being unkind and mean spirited.

      Carry on ladies. ... I am out!
      Nina

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    4. Ok, this has gotten a bit out of control. Please, let us just focus on the topic and not critique the critiques. Staying on point should engender interesting debate, the other will likely only end in this sort of spiral. Further, I do not like bringing the politics of another blog into this space. Everyone moderates their space differently. I know all the other major Kate bloggers, and it puts me in an awkward position when their readers are criticized. Let's stick to having a nice time chatting about Kate. No need for this to go elsewhere.

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  19. Wow...Nora? And 'wonder'. I used that word. ...

    With that I leave this blog. This is clearly a SLAP.



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  20. I'm chiming in late on this and for some reason cannot reply directly under JC's post, but her question about the vacation being leaked sparked a question in my mind......was a trial balloon?

    I do not understand the need to announce a vacation. Engagements are one thing, but the public does not need to know the when and where regarding family vacations.

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    1. I think so, Royalfan--that is, if there is any truth to the story.

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  21. Nina, I hope you reconsider. I would hate to see you leave the comment section of this blog. You always bring interesting and valuable remarks to the discussions. Mk at 4:49, for someone who is a big supporter of positivity toward Kate, you have shown very little back to your fellow poster. There was more negatively in your rant than anything anyone posted all evening. Talk about hypocritical!

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    1. Thank you Faith :)

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