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Kate Spotted at King's Cross + Meghan Markle's First Public Engagement in Nottingham

Friday, December 1, 2017

As Harry and Meghan made their way to Nottingham this morning for Meghan's first public engagement with her prince, the Duchess of Cambridge was pictured arriving at King's Cross in London. The Duchess was keeping the chilly morning weather at bay in her new tartan coat (just debuted on Wednesday as she was pictured leaving Kensington Palace with her mom) and carried her Mulberry Polly Push Lock satchel.  


Although the Daily Mail didn't really have any details, it appeared Kate was meeting someone at the station that she knew. The third picture above shows her spotting and reacting to something, likely someone. In any event, she wore this Iris and Ink turtleneck to a Cub Scout meeting in December of last year:


Reader Cepe has told me that Prince William flew into Norfolk yesterday and the current guess is that the couple are likely taking off for Anmer Hall. In years passed, Kate has been pictured shopping in the little villages near her country home before Christmas, and most years the Cambridges have enjoyed taking their children to the Thursford Christmas Spectacular. Maybe all that gardening earlier in the week got Kate itching to get back to the country. She might also be planning to host Meghan Markle at her home over the Christmas holiday and therefore off to decorate and prepare? Hard to say. 

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Speaking of Meghan Markle... As Meghan carries out her first official engagement with Prince Harry today, many are pointing to Kate's visit to Anglesey in 2011 as her first royal appearance. But, Kate made her first public engagement as a royal-fiancée in Norfolk at the Thursford Christmas Spectacular on December 18, 2010.  


Meghan's debut is certainly faster than Kate's was, and certainly more "real engagement" than Kate's early forays, but that might have something to do with the fact that Harry is older now than William was when he got engaged. When William got engaged, both boys were still pursuing their "other" careers, and obviously now Harry has transitioned toward charity work. I don't think it is odd that they would make a public appearance so soon, and that it would be a full fledged public engagement.

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Turning to Nottingham today... Used to Canadian winters, Meghan Markle wrapped up for her first day of official engagements in a Mackage coat, and wore a maxi skirt from Joseph underneath. The happy couple were super hands on throughout the day, which made for some great photos! 


I really enjoyed watching Kate on her first walkabouts, so I have pulled together video of Meghan doing her first royal walkabout! It is so interesting to hear an American accent in this context!  


And a quick photo of the couple with their coats off:

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William and Kate have added a new engagement on the 6th, and I will keep an eye out for any further confirmation about Kate's trip. 

206 comments:

  1. Jane, I appreciated this post on both couples. I know you are so busy pursuing your career. Thank you.

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  2. Re Kate vs Meghan on first public engagements we have to remember Meghan is already famous and is already used to the limelight. Kate has come from a very different background so only makes sense she would ease into the role step by step. So important we don't compare the two women, they are both amazing and bring so much hope to a world which can do with some positive inspiration!!!

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  3. Do we know what boots the duchess was wearing?

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    1. Mary from ManchesterDecember 1, 2017 at 10:50 PM

      They look like the Russell & Bromley boots.

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  4. Well I will jump right in here, Meghan looked beautiful, and it certainly was a positive first outing for them. I loved her coat and turtleneck, but the skirt was a miss for me. A slim skirt, or trousers, in a dark color would have been more appropriate. Also carry a handbag during a walkabout, when people are giving you flowers and gifts, doesn't work.
    Kate looked sporty and casual, I loved her ponytail. Thanks for such a quick post Jane. Happy weekend all.

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    1. Meghan doesn't have an assistant to hand things off too so I understand why she opted for a functional purse

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    2. Tedi, I agree on the skirt. Wasn't a fan of it. I did like the coat and the handbag though :)

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    3. That purse was stunning. I love MM’s collection of amazing purses and how she wears them.

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    4. The queen also uses a full on handbag

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    5. It reminds me of HM's black purse, except HM slips her arm through the handle, freeing her hands. I liked Meghan's whole outfit-maybe because it wasn't stylist-perfect. I think she stayed true to the image she has developed . She looked appropriate to the environment and event. I thought that engagement interview dress may have been a concession to the occasion, but perhaps did not represent her go-to usual. It also seemed somewhat snug in places. style.anon1

      Thanks, Jane!

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    6. I agree about the skirt. It looked a little flat to me, and I think a darker color would have been better. I loved her coat though! Very pretty.

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    7. I didn't care for that skirt at all but I'd take that purse in a heartbeat!

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    8. Mary from ManchesterDecember 2, 2017 at 8:57 PM

      Yes, definitely the purse and I'll take the coat, too. She looked fabulous in it.

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    9. Yes, Mary, the coat was also great!

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    10. Mary from ManchesterDecember 3, 2017 at 12:31 PM

      I also love the sweater Kate is wearing. She looks very fit and slim in the photo with the Scouts. Amazing how she does it.

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  5. Kate's tartan coat is so gorgeous. She looked really lovely today in that casual outfit.

    That white dress with the black blazer is one of the most iconic Kate looks of all time imo. I was absolutely obsessed with it at the time and still love it now.

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    1. Her coat is gorgeous! Goes to show what an impact a coat can have with such a neutral outfit!
      ~ A

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  6. Maggie - MinneapolisDecember 1, 2017 at 12:43 PM

    The lady behind Kate who seems to be getting something out of the car seems to be holding George's backpack in some of the pictures. Not sure what that means but thought it was interesting.

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  7. I like to think that Kate was at Kings across to have her picture at Platform 9 3/4! Haha. I do like that Meghan actually took her coat off for the engagements. I wish Kate would do this more, but I think she copies The Queen in this regard. I find it works better for The Queen, as most of her coats are designed to leave parts of the coordinating dress underneath showing.

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    1. Meghan would have roasted in that heavy overcoat indoors. Kate usually wears lighter-weight coats that move from outdoors to inside. M. has the advantage of learning from reactions to Kate's outfits and demeanor. Kate has blazed the trail for commoner spouses. I don't doubt for a second that M has read at least some of what has been written about Kate. I think one sign of intelligence is being able to learn from others instead of muddling through on one's own. She will take lessons learned from others and add her own special flavor. She'll do fine if people will give her time to settle in. I only worry that the public/press honeymoon period of adulation and acceptance will be followed by the build-up of expectations dissolving into disenchantment that Kate met when high expectations clashed with the realities of life---the glare of being in the spotlight, the demands of family, the stresses of pregnancy and illness.

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    2. Tough role for them- they are Super Human!!!!

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    3. There is a Polar wave all around Europe, freezing or/and snowing, moreover Meghan is from California, I bet that she's going to miss the sun .....

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    4. but she's been living in not-so-sunny Toronto. Going from SoCal to England really would be a shock.
      Perhaps a holiday in Ibiza? anon1

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    5. Course!! Nevertheless I prefer Menorca... another Balearic island..... Anyway on a yacht... you can order the lunch, carried on a boat.... selfish...

      Toronto is great though...

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    6. I'm guessing her time in Toronto prepared her for the cold.

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    7. I have been told that she was living in Argentina as well and so she can speak some Spanish.....it might be s gossip...

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    8. Or a Geek Island cruise on a yacht. That is C&C favorite getaway. Charles does always appear tan, or at least high complexioned.

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    9. Yes, anon1, however in spring/summer... it's snowing in Ibiza and Greece...
      For the whole year.... Canary Islands....

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    10. HAHA! a GEEK Island. Love those typos.

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    11. "Geek" Island! I know people who would go there! Ah, Autocorrect, how you brighten our days!

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  8. Loved her outfit! “Hi, I’m Meghan.” How adorable is that?🙌🏻

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    1. LOl, I can't believe she said that!...she certainly is taking this business of introducing herself to the country literally!

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  9. Emmaline in the USDecember 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM

    I love Kate's smile here. It's almost like she is saying, "Ah, busted!" I'm sure 99% of all photographers were at Harry & Meghan's events. That said, Jane you were quite right about Meghan's ring. It may have looked "modest" as some said during the photocall (distance, angle, etc.) BUT it was absolutely stunning in some of the pictures today.

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  10. I know Kate is your main focus but it does sadden me that we are not going2to get great MM updates. Any other talented writers out there willing to follow in Jane's footsteps? Meghan is great. A great addition, breath of fresh air. Coming from a family of dozens of mixed race aunts and uncles and being black living in South Africa in a post apartheid era and having a white dad and a mixed race sister it does make me a little emotional that such a public couple will be spreading the love a d joy and reinforcing that races and cultures do mix in a happy joyful organic way. It's such a nice distraction/ cover for Kate during her "final" pregnancy. She can rest and do her thing without a 24/7 baby watch as a lot of the royal attention will be on M&H. Happy happy happy days.

    NK xx

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    1. There are a few MM blogs. Jane has retweeted them on Twitter.

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  11. I was really disappointed by Meghans outfit today. Didn't think that the skirt did anything for her, and not sure about the unfinished hem. Loved the bag though.

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    1. IMO, the long flowing heavy skirt and the long heavy thick boots were too... Heavy
      The coat was nice.
      She doesn't dress in a way that flatters her.

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    2. That was my thought for the engagement pictures too :(

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    3. I love her clothes and I think her figure is great. She’s got the best legs.

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    4. Unfinished hems are huge right now. Meghan has hips. She’s very fit and slender. I think she looks amazing. But she has hips that Kate doesn’t have so that might be surprising to see for some.

      I thought her arms looked amazing in the interview. Enough muscle to give them shape, healthy and strong.

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    5. Does all this really matter? She was there meeting the people of Nottingham which Harry has told her so much about and to highlight World Aids Day.........the bigger picture is so much more important than the scrutiny of her clothing. She's hit the ground running and we should give her some space to grow into her new role.

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    6. Of course, it doesn't matter. Look at the Princess Royal, she would never be the inspiration of a fashion blog but she is a great member of the RF.
      Only, as it is her first public outing, it is understandable that Meghan's outfit is scrutinised. I think she hasn't chosen the clothes that make her look best, as I felt with the engagement coat.

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    7. 7:52, this is a fashion blog so clothes are a big part of what we discuss along with everything else. Maybe some people need a "We only talk about the serious royal stuff" blog.

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  12. Wow, Kate must have been on holiday before that first appearance in Thursford, no? She's incredibly tan. I feel like she really must limit her wardrobe because we so commonly see 'casual' snaps of her wearing things she's worn before. Has anyone else pondered this?

    I have to give a shout out to Harry, who looked so sharp today! Shoes, scarf, pants, jacket, all so well-fitting and totally on trend. Meghan looks great, though I think the volume concentrated around the knees and then flowing into the boots looks a bit unpolished. She's so gorgeous though, soooo happy to see her out and about.

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    1. I don't see a problem with Kate recycling or re-wearing her clothes. I realize she has a generous fashion budget but like everyone else she probably has favourite items that she likes to wear over and over again. Tbh, I would find it a little weird if she only wore her clothes once.

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    2. I also like that Kate has her "go to" favorites like the rest of us. If she was never seen in something twice can you imagine the criticism she would face?

      I thought Harry looked almost put together. His collar was too open for my tastes, especially if layering with a scarf. I'm sure Meghan will help him along.

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    3. Maybe he needed a thicker winter scarf as it was a very cold day! How cute was Meghan giving her hand warmer away to someone in the crowd- so considerate :)

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    4. Kate used to spray tan a lot in those days! Maybe she had had a vacation, but she maintained a tam year round :-)
      ~ A

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  13. Meghan is tiny and so cute next to Harry. I look forward to seeing more of them. Kate and Meghan have different touches when it comes to style and I think they complement the Royal family nicely. I really like Kate dressed down ... Her coat is classy. Meghans skirt was a miss for me too, but she still looks stunning! Is it just me or does anyone else find her long dark beautiful hair just exotic next her Harry's coloring? I cannot wait till they have kids, will be so interesting!!!

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    1. I had the same thought.......their children will be very interesting with the mix of genes between H & M xx

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  14. Jane whats your take on Pippa. Do you think she is actively staying out of the limelight or do you think the world is slowly just getting over photographing Pippa drinking coffee and walking her dogs? Is the world over the Middleton Clan?

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    1. Personally, I hope the media is over their obsession with Pippa and the Middleton family. Don't get me wrong, I love the Middletons. But they haven't done anything to necessitate media coverage; they are just normal UK citizens going about their lives. And that's what I love about them, their normalcy.

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    2. She was just photographed as the patron of Paralympics March 2018 in South Korea......so I guess that's a change from riding around on her Bike......in this latest picture she looks quite different and more mature :) I'm sure her world has changed enormously since her wedding too.

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    3. Does anyone else think Pippa might be pregnant? Based on latest photos of her.........

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    4. EV,I agree, it was time they got their life back.

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    5. I haven't seen any recent photos of Pippa. I miss her!

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    6. Someone else mentioned this, too, and I have been meaning to get back to that comment. There have been some pictures recently of her riding around London on her bike, and she recently launched a ski challenge. I'll try to do a post soon. Maybe next weekend.

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  15. Jane- would love to hear your thoughts on Meghan’s ensemble. I think she’s gorgeous! 2 royal beauties to follow now. I bet they will be the best of friends in years to come!

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    1. I sure hope so. It must be so hard to be a royal, since there are so few of them. You'd really need close friends/family who understand what it's like. I would love to see Kate and Meghan joking around like Kate and Harry do.

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    2. I'm sure they will be great friends!!! Everyone seems to have a good time and laugh in Harry's company - he must be very funny & witty- happy times ahead for everyone :)

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  16. My comments: comparing the Kate and Meghan makes no sense. Meghan is an American, and if no one thinks that will make a difference in how she will relate to the public, they are mistaken. She is older than Kate was when Kate became engaged and is comfortable in the public eye. Also, the Asian woman in the background looks like she is Meghan's "Rebecca Deacon". I am sure she has a personal assistant at this point.

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    1. She works in H and W’s office and is just pitching n to help Meghan right now. Meghan has no staff yet. This is from Rebecca English’s Twitter feed.

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    2. Yes agree I'm so over the comparisons- and good to remember Meghan is an actress and already has her own fame outside of BRF. Kate has come from a completely different background. What I love about Kate is her vulnerability as she has grown into this role and stayed true to herself in the process.

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  17. Kate just looks so young and charming in the last photograph! Love her smile!

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    1. Kate does looks great in that checked coat I love that coat. NLopez

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  18. I really like Meghan and feel she will make a great royal and add a new dimension to the royal family.

    I do however feel she seems a little too celeb at the moment and lost. Her handbag seemed too large (what could she possibly need) and her and Harry were overly touchy feely which seemed quite un-royal - they are technically working! If you reflect on the way in which Kate conducted herself in her first engagements or even Sophie they seemed better briefed on protocol.

    One thing that separates the royals from celebs is the poised way in which they conduct themselves. Don’t get me wrong I love Meghan and Harry and can’t wait to see her hopefully grow into the new role.

    Also, I look forward to seeing more on the blog - keep up the good work!

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    1. All the points you aren’t thrilled with, I love about her! She seems very warm and lovely. Not fake celebrity, just heartfelt.

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    2. They are very touchy feely but once inside the venue they very much has their own space. It's great they can express their love for each other but then also not do that when required in a more formal environment. Bit like Kate & Will when they hold hands walking to Church for Christmas etc.....so cute and love we get to see this side of their relationship. Some people have mentioned Meghan is in it for the money/power etc....so maybe they want to show their affection to the public demonstrating that their love is for real?

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    3. Meghan didn't seen very professional, but it isn't surprising as she has not had time to be briefed and trained. I remember Kate first outing with the Queen and how subtly and firmly the Queen was showing her the way to go.

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    4. One of my favorite Kate-William moments is that joyous hug at the Olympics. That was early days. There s still an obvious bond between the two but it is more discrete and subtle . H&M were a few days post engagement announcement; PDA expected.
      That H-M engagement had to be enormously intimidating for Meghan. She probably needed all the reassurance she could get. Just think about it. Toronto was one thing--and even there, she had a death-grip on Harry; this was England. She wasn't up on a stage reciting a speech. This was up close and personal.What a perfect location and itinerary for both of them for a first appearance. With the history of Harry's involvement there they were assured a warm and enthusiastic welcome, which further reassured Meghan and for which she expressed appreciation.
      Since these events are often months in planning, I wonder if it was originally planned for a Harry solo? anon1

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      I hope Meghan doesn't change her ways. I think people really liked it. That's her. Warm, friendly, demonstrative with affection towards Harry, very American with enthusiasm, I could go on. She's a good fit for Harry like Kate's a good fit for William.

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    6. I do absolutely agree I like those moments, but what’s special about Will and Kate is they do it oh so rarely that when it happens it’s even more special and cute. Maybe it’s just the initial excitement, but I do really hope Meghan becomes a tad more professional. It’s so interesting comparing Kate, Sophie and Meghans initial engagements, Meghan is definitely different which is great, I hope she can work it well rather than talking too much and opening up too much which is not what the royal family are about.

      I’ve read this blog for so long im glad I finally added a comment (although somewhat controversial) it’s nice to chat with fellow royalists!

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    7. Welcome to the comment section anon 10:36! It is so nice to be able to chat with a bunch of people sharing the same interest from all over the world and many different walks of life. I know it has saved my family from much "tiresome and boring" conversation about the BRF :)

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    8. My daughter had no idea who William and Kate were, let alone Harry and Meghan. She is vaguely aware of the Queen and Prince Charles. No sense discussing "engagements" (events) with her. She's probably say, "Oh? I thought you said they (W&C) were already married?"
      This blog can be a lot of fun, which is what I'm after.

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    9. Welcome 10:36! It is fun discussing what I call "My Royal Nerdiness" with others. It doesn't spare my family completely but it helps.

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  19. I love Kate - she is, and will remain, my number one lady. I wish Meghan all the best but I know where my loyaty lies

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    1. I have enjoyed following Kate these last years, but although she is clearly a charming, thoughtful lady, she has never really blossomed into her role. She dutifully fulfills her role and her duties, and I believe gives heartfelt effort - but she lacks something, something that Princess Diana, no matter how troubled she was at times, clearly had. A spark, charisma, a personality that shown brightly and that people responded to. It is early days yet, but Meghan may have some of that quality, that natural effervescence.

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    2. I completely agree with this. I don't think we really have seen her "real" personality in public, I think she is fearful (or maybe just aware of how her every move is watched) of putting a foot wrong. Meghan definitely has that star power.

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    3. I love Kate and she will also remain my number one lady. While they are two very different people and I would never compare (as they are so different and have much different roles), my interest remains with Kate. I was very much on board with Meghan until I read about her leaving her rescue dog, Bogart, behind in Canada because he was "too old to travel" although he is only 6. I have a friend in the foreign service who moved to the UK from the U.S. with her elderly dog (10) who had cancer (she would have never left him behind) and spared no expense to make sure he did not travel in the cargo area of a commercial plane. I am perplexed by Meghan's decision to leave one of her dogs with a friend. While I am sure he is well cared for it is not the same. He was bonded with Meghan and with her other dog, Guy. Clearly she is wealthy enough on her own to have flown him chartered or line up some other arrangement that did not endanger him in any way to make the journey. Additionally, the quarantine process in the U.K. is up to 4 months, but that process is usually reserved for dogs that have not been vaccinated or lack vet records. My friend's elderly dog did not undergo this quarantine process because his records were presented as requested and he had all required vaccinations. For someone who comes across as a caring person, I find this disregard for a loving companion to be very troublesome. I myself have two rescue dogs that I would never leave behind or separate under any circumstances and this situation just breaks my heart. Sorry Meghan, but dogs are not a "just for now" or "until I marry a prince," they are family members that should not be so easily discarded. Poor Bogart.

      -Macy from Virginia

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    4. Meghan never said he was too old to travel. She has not explained so we don't really know the situation. If she had left both dogs behind you might have a point Macy. But we don't know Bogart's situation (or know his age for sure.) There could be all kinds of reasons he might not have been able to travel safely. (e.g., anxiety, heart condition---not unusual in rescues from heartworm, canine asthma) I understand loving pets & giving them the best care & a special place in our hearts...I have and I do. But I'm not sure it's really fair to expect MM not to move to the UK to marry her prince if it wasn't possible to move both dogs across an ocean. So I definitely reserve judgment on this until we know more.

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    5. 7:24,

      I don’t believe that is the whole story about Bogart. There must be more to this story. Meghan is completely dedicated to her dogs and when the interviewer asked about Bogart, I thought Meghan was going to cry. There must be more to this story which I think we will learn at some point. I’m a huge animal lover and I just don’t believe there isn’t a true reason why Bogart couldn’t come. 🐶❤️

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    6. Can't you ladies love both women? Why do you have to have a favourite? And can we give Meghan a break about her Dog......who knows why she left it behind. She's had to make many sacrifices to be with Harry and I'm sure it broke her heart to do so. Who knows what else she had to leave behind, these are the decisions she had to make when starting a new adventure! Please be understanding and less judgemental.

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    7. I see it a little differently. I think there are certain things we need to hold firm about. Giving your animals forever homes is one. And with all the travel options at her disposal, including private, I couldn't believe she didn't take both dogs. She has options most could only dream about.

      However, after thinking about it and Meghan's character (not the TV show, her morals & values), I think there is more we don't know. I followed her for awhile on IG and I think one of her dogs was very sick for awhile. So, I really do think more is going on that we don't know.

      I had a cat that was born with a congenital heart condition which we discussed when he was 3. He had heart failure for several years and then died. Even on a private plane, he could not have flown. I really think something this big was the reason Bogart couldn't move to the U.K. If that's true, then I think she made the right decision.

      I agree about not making snap judgements but we do need to keep a firm hold of good morals and values. And that extends to our fur babies.

      I'm sure we will find out what's going on with Bogart at some point.

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    8. I started reading this blog because I got more and more interested in Kate after the wedding. I thought she was so well dressed. It started by being eager to find pictures, purely because of fashion. And I liked her smile and ended stumbling on this blog, and I very much liked the way Jane writes, and reading the comments. I know much more now about Kate and am interested in more than her fashion. But it has been a gradual process.
      I haven't decided yet what I think about Meghan, and it will take me some time. I am in a minority here, but I didn't think Harry very interesting, except recently with his work with veterans and the invictus games. I wouldn't have been madly interested in his wife per se. And I wouldn't have been interested at all in Meghan if she wasn't marrying him, I had never heard of her before. For the time being, I read with pleasure what Jane writes on them, it always is a pleasure, but don't look eagerly elsewhere for more news of Meghan. I wonder if I will someday.

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    9. Private flights still have to go through customs and immigration, although I guess there is VIP assistance available. There are certain restricted breeds, I understand. Bogart looks part Pit Bull to me, often a restricted breed. I don't think people initially becoming involved think, "Oh! What if we should get engaged and I would have to move . What ever will I do about my dogs?" Who thinks about his dog's breed when falling in love?

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    10. Does anyone remember the Johnnie Depp dog kerfuffle with Australian customs? I think he kidnapped them from quarantine or something. Maybe that was his ex-wife. I think lawsuits and/or arrests ensued.

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    11. Yes anon1 and an apology video message mandated by the Australian government. I thought it was a humerous slap on the wrist

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    12. Meghan has been working very long hours, and globe-trotting during breaks. She must have relied on dog-walker/pet-sitter heavily since she had such limited time with them herself.

      I have a pet sitter who is totally in love with my cats. If I had difficulty moving to another country with one or both of them, he would take them on himself in a heartbeat. And I would be comfortable with that, because they love him too.

      Maybe that's what happened with Bogart.

      Belle

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    13. What a lovely thought, Belle! anon1

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    14. I would also not be surprised if there is a breed restriction issue. I googled quickly and came up with this article: https://www.google.com/amp/dogtime.com/dog-health/general/9039-breed-restrictions-affect-pit-bull-loving-family/amp

      When looking for my own dog I had to keep in mind the breed restrictions and consequences of them. My city does restrict pitties, and the authorities can take them away and have them destroyed if they even suspect a dog might be pit. I met many dogs that I liked but they looked too much like part pittbull for me to take the risk.

      Now, if I already *had* a dog that was subject to breed restrictions and I had to move I would 100% do my BEST to exhaust every option including living in a non-BSL city or out in the country if at all feasible. But what choice did Meghan have in this situation? I am soncerely curious what you would have done.


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  20. I love the skirt and how it adds movement and lightness as it pushes out from under the coat.

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    1. Me too! And I like how the skirt fits her hips especially.

      I actually admire Meghan's style sense. I find it simple, unique, and refreshing.

      She does not appear to have a "royal" budget for clothing, and likely won't until after the wedding--if then. She first wore that coat about a year ago.

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  21. Random thoughts on hair: I always return to thoughts about why Katherine no longer wears her natural curls when we see her. I have presumed, rightly or wrongly that she is making a separation between her public and private life. Today I came across American media encouraging Meghan to wear her hair natural as something of a role model for young women of color. And then I saw a clip of an appearance on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. She spoke of her hair and said that after years of straightening and blow outs, it no longer remembers how to be curly.

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    1. Suzanne, That was a cute response Meghan used with Fallon, but it makes no sense. Straightening and blow outs have no impact on new hair growth. Straightening her hair is a deliberate choice. Perhaps she'll decide to go more natural sometime down the road. I do appreciate the periodic pictures we get with Catherine's hair showing its natural curl. She does seem to wear it that way in private life more often, although we did get to see a bit of it during their island tour when the humidity seemed to win the day. ;-) I thought it looked thick and beautiful left more natural and was a nice change.

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    2. Hair changes over time, yes, you can lose your curl or it can become more pronounced.

      Curly haired girl

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    3. Actually a woman's hair changes a lot through life, not to mention then with pregnancies and menopause.

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    4. True Curly haired girl. In my mid 30s my wavy hair became much straighter for no obvious reason. It wasn't thinner or less healthy. Just straighter.

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    5. I'm pretty sure Meghan was talking about her existing (grown out) hair that lost it's curl.

      And I'm pretty sure Meghan will not be shaving that straight hair off so the new growth will be all curly lol.

      My hair has gone through texture transformations, from naturally straight, uniform butter blonde in my youth and 20's, to darker caramel blonde that bleaches naturally as it grows out. It is now frizzy at the nape, then graduates > curly > wavy > then straight on top. I can no longer shampoo and let it dry naturally, cuz it looks pretty strange!

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  22. It's interesting to see how things are different for Harry, given that he will likely never be king. I think William and Kate have much different expectations on them, and that's partly why they never have any PDAs, not hand-holding, nothing. But Harry doesn't have the same pressure, so I think he feels they can be a little more comfortable together. I don't know. It's definitely different to see them holding hands, considering we're so used to the minimal touching from the Cambridges.

    I also don't think it needs to be a competition between Princesses. Kate and Meghan are so different, and that's great!

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    1. I agree with you; there is no need for the competition. And even if people tried to create one, the result is already known. Kate will be Queen. She is the wife of future Monarch and mother of a future Monarch. She will always be more prominent and with a central role. Game, set, match.

      Beyond the established roles and structure of the royal family, they are 2 different women, with 2 different sets of talents and life experiences, who married 2 very different men. It's not surprising William and Harry would have selected mates who have different personalities and bring unique things to the table. Hopefully Harry has found a great match and together they have a successful marriage and happy family life!

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    2. You said there was no competition and then went on to say that Kate will always be more prominent with the central role. Even adding a “game, set, match.”

      YOU were being completely competitive on Kate’s behalf and trying to belittle Meghan. It amazes me how insecure some Kate followers are showing themselves to be.

      Frankly, I don’t care what tiltle Meghan has. As Diana showed, it’s the love from the people that matters in the end.

      I like and admire both of these women for different reasons. Grow and mature, then maybe you will too.

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    3. Game, set, match- it's not a competition!!! I don't think Meghan cares about being Queen, what's more important is her charities and helping others......
      I agree with Zoe, Harry will be 6th in line to the throne when Baby Cambridge 3 is born so he has a different function in the BRF and expectations would be different too.
      It's great they can be themselves, so thrilled Harry is happy. He's worked so hard and really established himself, now he gets to share that with someone who has similar interests & passions in life!!! Well done to the person who organised the blind date :)

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    4. 6:23, 5:12 is right. Their roles are predefined. And no amount of competition will change that. I read nothing belittling Meghan or competitive on Kate's behalf in that comment. No need to ask anyone to grow and mature.

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      Actually the love and popularity of them is not predetermined, now is it? But you already know that, don’t you?

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    6. The Cambridge children,particularly George, will receive the lion's share of attention from the public in the future, particularly if William becomes king earlier than expected.

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    7. Zoe, I think you're correct about the PDA and different expectations. It matters!

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  23. It was comforting to see Kate today. I had a bit of an internal kerfuffle watching Meghan today. She was beautiful and did great, and it was wonderful to see her fully embraced by the crowd but it was too perfect if that makes sense. I felt like I was watching a celebrity not a royal. Hopefully that will change for me as I want this to work for them.

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    1. I didn't see celebrity I just saw someone who's clearly outgoing so was ok with the job and the attention, so enjoyed it. And that showed. So win win all around in my opinion. And for the crowds waiting to see her, it adds to the fun and buzz when she's so excited and engaged in return. It was a really cold day, for that kind of crowd and buzz, she knocked it out of the park. Bring on more is all I can say.

      I think Kate will be relieved to have someone to share the spotlight and pressure right now. It's like being run ragged at work and suddenly someone comes in and says "they sent me to see if you needed any help" and you're just "oh thank god I couldn't deal anymore" !!

      I get where you're coming from they're very different women - some will be drawn to steady reserved Kate, some to vibrant outgoing Meghan. No problem.

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    2. Could you believe the crowds they got? In some pics people are like 10 deep. Thrilled to see her so welcomed!
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    3. Steady and reserved Kate? I am picturing the London Marathon with Kate cheering on the runners; just about any activity with children , smiling, laughing with them-yes vibrant; jumping up to catch a ball, revealing a toned tummy; leaping over a stack of cans in some children's game; playing cricket in stilettos...Steady, yes. Reserved--only when the occasion requires a more serious demeanor- the memorials, Diplomatic Reception.

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    4. She is an actress, doing her acting meeting the people. It is all an act I think.

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    5. You can't compare the British middle class and The Americans middle class ( which doesn't mean the same)...even in South Europe, you must hide the feelings.... upper class.... Nobility!!!

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    6. I think Meghan did awesome on her first walkabout. I would have looked and been terrified. NLopez

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  24. I'm like Tedi....going to jump in here! I know Kate is our gal and this blog is that focus going forward.....that being said, I loved Meghan's look today. I was a little disappointed with her hair on day of her engagement announcement......but I thought she looked PITCH PERFECT today and it was so lovely to see Harry so happy as well. Going back to Duchess of Cambridge......am I the only one thinking we will never again see her in black pantyhose.......maybe black opaque tights, but I'm thinking the black hose are not going to be seen again?!

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    2. The ones in the pic that Jane posted

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    3. Kate wore sheer black hose to the Remembrance Festival last month.

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  25. The first photo I saw on Instagram, Harry and Meghan in similar coats with Harry sporting a scarf which was a match to the skirt swirling out of Meghan's coat...I thought was a really nice look. They are absolutely charming and obviously so in love! The hand-holding and other dislays of affection for each other are very refreshing. There is NO competition, they are each beautiful in their own right. I thought they were wonderful today.

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  26. I love casual Kate. She does casual so well and still manages to look chic.

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  27. Jane, I must say, I SO wish you were doing a blog on Meghan’s fashion since she has such a different style than Kate’s. Thanks for always keeping us updated!

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  28. So enjoyed seeing Photos of Kate when she is not working. She looked just lovely & so relaxed. The first outing of Harry & Meghan Markel was pleasant & Meghan seemed to really enjoy herself. She being an actress is used to being acknowledged. as she is a professional actress and this was an easy role for her. I am sure she has probably viewed videos before of the queen, Princess Diana & Kate on walk a bouts. What I didn’t understand is why Kate’s new private secretary did not accompany Meghan to lend support. Since Kate was not working this would have been extremely helpful for Megan on her first royal duty. W & H share a lot of staff & it would have been a good opportunity for both Megan and Kate’snew private Secretary to experience together as both are new to royal work. I find it very interesting an article quoted Meghan as saying she had no idea who Prince Harry was? However she lived in Canada for quite a few years . I hope the royal staff will send Meghan to princess school as they did Kate to educate her on royal protocol. Poor Princess Diana & Sarah the Duchess of York...had to fend the royal waters without guidance. So sad. Thanks again Jane for your wonderful blog.

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    1. Kate's private secretary was probably doing her job which involved more than simply accompanying Kate. It would also spark Meghan v Kate headlines if they started with shared staff right off the bat.

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      Why should Kate sure her staff. Harry has is own

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  29. Never thought I would say this....but I am.......Jane, have a blog about Meghan as well

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    1. Yes, Jane, please do blog about Meghan! Would love a verdict on today's outfit. Personally, I was totally on board until I saw the boots...which were identified as over-the-knee. They seemed to have fallen down and you can see a bit of leg in one shot. Anyhow, she's a beauty and I look forward to seeing more of her!

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    2. Orange County GrandmaDecember 2, 2017 at 10:51 AM

      I think the two women should have their own blog. Reading some of the comments here really upsets me. Saying Kate was out and it was H&M big day. Give me a break. It is not Kate’s fault that the press was at the train station and took her photograph. Grow up people.
      Jane I hope you do not let your readers start comparing these beautiful women. And except Kate to go into hiding because Meghan is doing engagements with Harry

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    3. I agree OCG. It is absurd to take the position that Meghan and Kare should coordinate their schedules so only one of them is outside at any given time just in case they are photographed bc it risks "upstaging" each other. That's unfair to both women and quite frankly laughable.

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    4. Yes please do! I have no interest in Meghan so would prefer this blog is kept just Kate!

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  30. Did anyone closely read the Daily Mail's (I know) story featuring Meghan's childhood friend, maid of honor, and road trip partner? The former friend makes Meghan sound like a strategic, cut-throat social climber who had longtime royal fantasies and must always be the center of attention.

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    1. Yes I did see this, it's weird when people from their past come out and say nasty things about them, when their having the happiest time of their life! Maybe that's why in her interview she played it down that she didn't know much about the Royals of hadn't heard of Prince Harry........he also said he hadn't heard of her :/

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    2. The friend sounds a bit like Uncle Gary. The same things have been said about Kate.

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    3. I saw that too. I wonder what would motivate someone to do that. No matter how much you disapprove of an old friend's behavior, imagine being so vindictive that you would tell the world and sew seeds of doubt about her? I can't understand how this woman can live with herself.

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    4. I take such stories witha grain of salt. There's always someone willing to say nasty things for 15 minutes of attention. Maybe their friendship is "former" bc Meghan realized what a horrible friend that girl is!

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    5. Only two explanations: 1. Meghan has wisely distanced herself from a friend who no longer shared the same interests and could be disloyal. 2. Meghan exhibits signs of Borderline Personality Disorder. Have you ever know anyone like that?

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    6. There is also sometimes a big $$$ payoff to be had. Sometimes old acquaintances are run down and sought after to the point of harassment. The temptation must be hard to avoid at times. I doubt she will be invited to the wedding. There are also hangers-on who go the other route and flatter and validate. Being famous is tricky. anon1

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    7. What is borderline personality disorder? And how do we know Meghan has it?

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    8. Mary from ManchesterDecember 2, 2017 at 3:35 PM

      This is just the former friend's opinion. I don't put any credence to it

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    9. Claudia, I think anon 9:48 was going for #1, with #2 meant as a bit of irony. Doubt anon was seriously diagnosing Meghan...although, some have offered a few diagnoses for Kate-which apparently IS allowed. (Anorexia, PP Depression, anxiety...)
      A sense of humor is a wondrous thing.

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    10. Borderline PD is a severe disorder so far as personality disorders go. Like any disorder symptoms vary across people but it is not unusual to see self-mutilation (cutting typically) and suicide attempts, unstable mood, lack of a sense of self, uncontrollable anger, splitting (rapid shifts in attitude towards specific other people), substance abuse...think Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.  I've seen nothing to suggest MM has it.

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    11. Claudia was clearly making a point, not seriously suggesting MM has an issue. Anon1, I haven't permitted anorexia or other suggestions of mental health issues about Kate for some time now. A very long time. It is difficult to balance "free speech" with appropriate censorship, but that made the prohibited category long ago.

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    12. Mary from ManchesterDecember 2, 2017 at 8:56 PM

      Agree with Jane, that is not something for this blog. MM is perfectly normal.

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    13. I also was making a point-that anon was being ironic or facetious.

      The "and how do we know Meghan has it" response indicated to me that anon's remark had been taken seriously and anon was being challenged to prove the statement. I was envisioning a long, polarizing thread debating this matter when I doubted the remark was even serious to begin with... and I think there have been enough of those types of discussions for awhile, in my opinion. Of course, it would be helpful to hear from Anonymous 9:48 AM what the intent actually was- if I mis-interpreted it and the remark was meant seriously, I apologise.
      9:48 actually did make a mental health reference about Meghan, serious or not, which was allowed, by the way, as well as replies to it. I believe there have been several references that have alluded to comparisons of Meghan's and Kate's anxiety versus relaxed state at engagements. I believe I reacted to inferences that Kate was more anxious at engagements (the word "refreshing" is obviously a veiled comparison at times to Kate, for example-refreshing compared to what or who?) I remarked that Meghan's first engagement was likely intimidating and that Meghan had a death grip on Harry; that she reportedly had said she was comforted/encouraged by the friendly crowds. I did not make a diagnosis.
      Both Meghan and Kate supporters are at times rather defensive about their favorites and quick out of the starting gate to react. I have noticed the royal reporters and their followers have seemed to take to Meghan and praise her, sometimes making comparisons or inferences to Kate. I believe this could be partly a reaction on their part to the unkind remarks I understand are said about Meghan in some forums and an attempt to seem politically correct, perhaps. I think this same dynamic operates on blogs. I don't know how a blog administrator can go about eliminating the remarks and comparisons that lead one to feel a defense is necessary. The answer is--one can't. The responsibility for control lies as least partly with the commenter. I will keep trying to resist "baiting," as I have said, and I hope others will, too. Sometimes remarks are so blatantly slanted that a response seems necessary. I have suspected that there are some commenters whose goal it is to ignite such responses.This will be an especially difficult time for blog moderating. I hope once Meghan and Harry are married and settled into a routine the situation will ease up. Maybe not.
      By the way,
      When was the last post that mentioned Kate's having emotional/mental difficulties after George was born. I had thought there had been a relatively recent discussion in the comment section. Perhaps not. I'm encouraged to hear you won't allow comments alluding to Kate's (or anyone's) mental state. Psychiatrists often disagree about symptoms and diagnoses in an examined patient; it is ludicrous to think anyone commenting on a blog could make accurate statements about Meghan's (or anyone's) level of anxiety or depression and certainly not regarding a personality disorder such as lizzie describes. That is why I did not take anon's remark seriously and why I made that reply to Claudia.

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    14. Well, this might highlight the personal problem I have with the Heads Together campaign. Anorexia, bi-polar, etc are mental health diseases. That is, chemically there is something wrong with your brain that needs serious medical attention. Mental health generally, as we increasingly use it in casual conversation can mean anything I feel, which while important to address and manage, does not rise to disease level. Anorexia is a mental disorder. Being shy in front of a camera is not.

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    15. Yes. Both physical and mental ILLNESSES fall on a spectrum from mild to severe. Physical illness from allergies to Diabetes Mellitus to Cancer and heart disease. They are caused by factors including hormonal, chemical -Diabetes- to environmental and life style causes--sometimes a mixture. Mental illness is similar in construct, from a situational depression and mild anxiety to Schizophrenia and clinical depression. Again, chemical, life-style, environmental factors, sometimes a mixture.

      Physical HEALTH maintenance and mental health maintenance are also parallel. Physical health maintenance might include exercise and diet. Mental health maintenance- talking about one's problems and fears and use of effective coping skills.
      I think the Heads Together initiative has now moved from mental HEALTH maintenance to aspects of recognising ILLNESS and getting treatment.

      There obviously was a plan to start with: removing the stigma-a very basic beginning--sort of like talking about AIDs to remove the stigma to encourage getting treatment. Diana's simple act of touching an AIDs patient probably did more to remove stigma than a PR campaign could have. Literally the personal touch.I think Harry and William and all the brave souls who came forward did much the same when they verbalized their own efforts to cope. They touched our hearts. There have been extensive awareness programs with cancer---some of us recall the "seven basic danger signals of Cancer"-and with heart disease risk factors. I believe the HT program recently launched a program for teachers and even for children that more or less follows the 7 danger signs type of format. The plan is moving along.

      So, awareness was the proper place to start. I think where the Heads Together effort , while a plan was in mind, may have failed to communicate the plan and the end point goal effectively. It is also very possible I just had not read all the information available.
      I think that project as well as others such as Sophie's eye disease focus and Camilla's work with programs for abused women show the future of royal patronage, although at present they represent personal charitable interests. There will only be so many royals to go around as we lose the older generation and wait for the next generation-George, Charlotte, ????, Louise, sweet Mia, and Peter's girls, and maybe Harry's too. Won't that be a force to be reckoned with! Just acting as a distant supporter and a name on a letterhead isn't going to cut it any longer.

      And...enter Meghan-talk about timing! anon1

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  31. Thanks for the update on Kate, Jane. I think she definitely has that pregnancy glow in her. Just a content young mum going about her life. Seeing Meghan today reminded me of when Kate first came on scene -- it was royal mania! It's reassuring to see her 7 years later, a mother of soon to be three, with the calm and reassurance of a stable family life. It makes me quite proud of her. I hope you never quit blogging about our future Queen.

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    1. Lots of people are commenting and loving casual Kate, she does look relaxed and self assured away from the media/camera's! That's lovely to hear the word PROUD. it's quite inspiring how far she has come and what she's achieved since marrying William in all aspects of her life- GO KATE!!!!

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    2. I'm not clear what you mean by "relaxed and self assured away from the media/camera's "(sic)

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  32. I concur Jane. You bring such a lovely, unique and charming energy to this blog. Thank you for all the work that you do. I am sure that it would lead to wonderful things for you too, if yo so desired it. Compare and contrast...

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  33. I love Kate. Really and truly. But,seeing her today, on Meghan's big day, when we almost never get candid shots of her...is concerning. That's all I am going to say.

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    1. I don't think she went out of her way to spoil Meghan's thunder if that's what your saying? With Xmas coming maybe she had some shopping to do? Who knows what she was doing- maybe having some well earnt time to herself?

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    2. That was odd … seems like the royals usually take pains not to step on each other’s events.
      Duch

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    3. I agree. I thought Kate was above certain things.

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    4. She wasn't at an Event, she was having private time and knew majority of media would be with H & M.
      She would have had more makeup on and been more dressed up if she new there would be media around.
      I really don't think Kate had a nasty agenda!

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    5. Mary from ManchesterDecember 1, 2017 at 10:47 PM

      If you check the Court Circular you'll see several of the royals had engagements today. These dairies are planned a year in advance so they probably just put Meghan in to one of Harry's engagements. I don't see the problem.

      But I loved her outfit. That military coat was really stunning on her. They looked like they were having fun.

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    6. Why concerning? She was spotted one minute in a station, they were basking one day in a crowd. If she did steal the show from them, all I can say is that she is an incredibly powerful show stealer!

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    7. I highly doubt there are usually photographers lurking around Kings Cross so Kate probably wasn't anticipating them. There are probably more cameras around these days trying to catch snaps of Harry & Meghan (did they take the train to Nottingham?). Same with the pic of Kate driving out of the palace with her mum. She does that all the time but there are usually aren't photographers trying to catch a glimpse of the newest royal fiancé. I think you're reading too much into things

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    8. Orange County GrandmaDecember 2, 2017 at 10:45 AM

      Like I said in a earlier post, you are saying Kate has to remain at home because H&M had an engagement. My god Kate wasn’t trying to steal their thunder. If you had read on DM and other post, William return from Finland in Norfolk the night before. She was probably taking the train to meet him or she was there to pick him up.
      Other royals were doing engagements that day too. So why don’t you blame them to for stealing H&M thunder. But no you have to pick on Kate.

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    9. OK. I am going to take the bait. "...Kate..above such things?". Meghan made a now rare,candid appearance on the streets of London the day of William and Kate's away day. She was meticulously groomed. Kate, on the other hand, was very casual. She was not out on a shopping expedition. She apparently was meeting someone at the train station. Most of the royal reporters were with H&M. One of the most verbal Kate watchers even shook her hand.
      If you compare the quality and angles of the two photos, it is obvious that the one of Meghan was professionally taken and set up and the one of Kate likely from a camera phone and taken without Kate's knowledge. Meghan's companion was aware of the photographer and did not look pleased. Meghan was wearing large sunglasses so it is hard to tell. Kate was concentrating on finding the person she was meeting and seemed completely unaware she was being photographed.
      I have been expecting this sort of comment about Kate's being spotted. William and Kate are constantly being criticised for avoiding the press and have been accused of being "media shy" by at least one commenter visiting from another blog. I don't think that viewpoint meshes with the-- Kate is trying to ruin H&M's event by being photographed off-duty slant.
      I doubt either woman was trying to rain on the other's parade. At any rate, the focus of the media remained on the official events in both cases, as it should have. Initially, I did think the Meghan photo had interesting timing; but If it was planned it was more likely to let people know she was really in London. There had been numerous reported sightings around London in the past months but no photos. Then one pops up.

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    10. Kate was dressed relatively casually and her hair was pulled back as if she was running an errand. I don't think this was her looking for a Kodak moment. :-)

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    11. I don't think so either royalfan but with a bit more makeup I think the outfit & ponytail would be fine for a casual official event. I don't usually like skintight jeggings for most official events but think they look better with this coat and the shorter boots. I'd also like the coat with actual trousers but I guess that will never happen.

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  34. It was the second time in the week we got a candid off duty shot of Kate that correlated with a Meghan mention. The first was Kate's trip with her mom. Perhaps maybe there's more photogs around than normal because of the engagement? I don't know.

    I want to make it clear...I really do adore Kate, but I can't help to have my mind go to this place when I see 2 candid shots of Kate in less than a week. We can literally go months without shots of Kate...off duty or not. That's an observation that makes me sad a bit and I hope that I'm way off the mark here. I guess, I just worry that we may understand that these two women are different and we shouldn't make a competition between them....but that doesn't mean that these two women share the same sentiment.

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    1. If Kate wanted to steal the show, why would she have worn the same coat in both candids?

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    2. As a NYC cop who has deal with a lot of celebs and paps its called high alert time your seeing more accidrntal pics of Kate because the paps are on high alert after the engagement she probably goes out a lot when its a low alert times but the paps are now everywhere due to the engagement so naturally Kate’s movements will be easier to detect as the paps are focused on Kensington palace. I mean poor Meghans mother has been swarmed by paps outside her house its a trickle down effect. H&M are hot news and press are everywhere

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    3. @anon 9:48: "I can't help ...my mind to go to this place." When my children were little they were taught that what comes into their minds doesn't have to come out of their mouths or in your case your fingertips. If you adore Kate as you say then I can't imagine what you think of someone you dislike.

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    4. Yikes Theresa. I was just making an observation and saying, hey we're seeing candid shots of Kate more now than ever before, which is something that doesn't normally happen. But that could be because of the engagement.
      And I like Kate, but her use of the media has been...flawed at times. That's the only point that I'm trying to make.

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    5. Orange County GrandmaDecember 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM

      So your saying just because Harry and Meghan are engaged now, and are out and about Kate needs to stay inside. And put her life on hold. It is not Kate’s fault that she is photographed. It is the media. Kate is not stealing Harry and Meghans thunder.

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    6. You are seen more candids now because they are living in London again and not at Anmer. The first months back in London she was sick so was not out snd about. Simple as that. No conspiracy theories.

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    7. Thank you anon 11:16. I hadn't thought about that when I wrote my comments. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my polarizing opinion. Truly didn't mean to.
      :-(

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    8. Tell me one day when Meghan has not been mentioned the past weeks, months.
      With only staged photos of Meghan seen during Kate's illness and absence (the Games with Harry) until recently-then, all of a sudden pap pics were everywhere, mostly in Toronto--leaving her car with take out, supposedly filming Suits on location, leaving a hair and make up trailer ....during at least part of this time I believe Kate was back at work with frequent engagements. Was M trying to upstage Kate or just going about her business during a "high alert" time?
      Anon 8:25's assessment is probably closest to the truth in the candid shot controversy. The KP shot of Kate was probably pap, possibly on the alert for M&H -they live there, too-and caught a lucky break with a Kate snap. This same argument sprang up here or elsewhere after Meghan was photographed standing outside a London nail salon, waiting for a ride. The tabs had been speculating about her whereabouts during the Pippa wedding high alert time. It was pointed out at the time that Kate had also been snapped, the difference being-Kate was driving in a moving car, which made it rather a poor choice for a PR photo.
      I don't agree that this train station one was a professional pap photo. I did not see the close , alert presence of RPO we usually see
      with Kate on unofficial errands, either, which could have discouraged unwanted photos. The woman with her head in the car...not a good position for an RPO to assume. The security presence in Nottingham seemed very great, on the other hand.
      In short, the train station photo was likely a lucky camera phone shot while security was off guard.
      More likely a lucky shot at the train station with a camera phone by someone already there. How was it released-social media or tabloid first? Usually the publication of pap photos have a delay for negotiation, while bystander photos are up-loaded quickly. (I wonder if the paps are kept well-away from official engagements with the royal reporters obviously front row center in Nottingham.)

      This thread is the second or third attempt on this post's comments section to get a response going to the Kate photo. Actually, it seems to me more like a poorly-disguised tit-for-tat for earlier remarks about Meghan's sudden re- appearance in a candid photo. Point taken.

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    9. PS I had only checked for credentials on the smaller photos. The larger Kate candid is clearly identified as a photo service and credited to Daily Mail. I don't know if Mega accepts bystander photos or not. It may still be that but since it wound up in a tabloid, it is a moot point. As 8:25 says, "high alert" and as another said--she hasn't been back in London that long to provide opportunities for candids.

      Kate has also been extremely busy. In addition, I think she is around 20-22 weeks now, mid second trimester, and there are important sonograms usually made at that time. Maybe her Mom went along to the appointment. I doubt they were having lunch or window shopping. Those days are over. anon1

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    10. Who knows who snapped the pics of casual Kate, she has no control when they are published.
      The media will play these nasty games and purposely release photos to coincide with something else to create tensions, of false power plays between the two......lets not be dumb here!!!

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  35. The Duchess of Cambridge doesn't look happy to be photographed. She is in for some weird press for the next few months. I recently came across an old article written by Vanity Fair about the Duchess of York and Princess of Wales. It was actually very insightful about the press and the position of the Princess of Wales. It came out in a honeymoon period when the Duchess was "refreshing" before it all got crummy for the Yorks.
    The Prince of Wales was not inclined to be overshadowed by his son and new daughter-in-law after the response to their marriage. They were certainly not invited to be out doing a large number of engagements. Maybe he feels more comfortable now but I doubt it.
    The Princess of Wales massive emergence on the public scene was unique. Diana Spencer was a completely private person. Megan Markle has been in the public sphere for over a decade and let's just say her trajectory has not been metaphorical in terms of of the public caring.
    Frontline from PBS has an excellent old documentary produced after the Princess of Wales's death which studied especially the press relationship for her in the first two years of her royal career. It is terrifying to see the camera angle from her side especially in Australia with the truckloads of flowers she was receiving and incredible crowds of people madly trying to touch her. Old letters from the time read from the Prince of Wales expresses complete shock at how anyone much less a 21 year old could cope.
    I doubt the Royal family is interested in a repeat of that nor that the Duchess of Cambridge is trying to steal the "spotlight." She's probably stuck in her giant house in the middle of a public park that she can not exit without being seen.

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    1. I remember when Diana first came on the scene. There had never been anything like it before and there hasn't been anything like it since. When 20 photographers followed Kate around and it was overwhelming for her I felt sorry for her but it was nothing like the 100+ that followed Diana everywhere she went for the rest of her life. There was something about her that was fascinating to the whole world and a great deal of the interest in William, Kate, Harry, and Meghan is because these are Diana's sons and the women they've chosen to marry.

      I really do not believe that Kate was trying to steal any focus from Meghan. These are not pap shots of her or there would be more than just the couple we saw. I think someone saw her, snapped a shot on their phone, and got them to the papers. You're right, Grtlakes, she's in the middle of the city, during the holiday shopping season, and she can't go anywhere without being seen. The girl has to live her life.

      Sadly, the comparison stories have already started in the papers and the less than stellar members of Meghan's family and her old friends from her school days are starting to sell stories to anyone who will buy them. What they are going to find out with her is that, because she is an American, anybody she associated with during her lifetime doesn't care about or respect the BRF because they hold no sway here so there will be no discretion when the tabloids come calling with their checkbooks out. Kate had a sort of protection for the most part because her friends would hope to curry favor. I'm afraid Meghan is in for a rough road. I know she said she doesn't read anything good or bad but when it's your "friends" and family talking you can't help but take notice. I heard Wendy Williams (is that her name?) say on her talk show that Meghan is a social climber and that her "acting" is why she seems so adoring and caring. I thought that was pretty mean. I think there will be more than a few people from her life left off the guest list! Although, her nephew said he's going to crash the wedding if he doesn't get invited. On the grounds of Windsor Castle? Good luck buddy!

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    2. Robin, I completely agree that Kate was not trying to steal any focus from Meghan. That would a very petty and juvenile thing to do--not something Kate would do imo.

      Regarding the "stories" that people are trying to sell about Meghan--now that she is engaged, are there rules regarding publishing/selling stories about the BRF? Perhaps Meghan can be protected from some of the nastiness at least.

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    3. Who would take that stuff seriously? anon1

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    4. I feel so sorry for Meghan. First a very old friend and now her aunt and uncle. Everyone wants a payday.

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    5. Hi Jay. The BRF can make a request to the press and sometimes they will respect that request about publishing stories or photos. They don't have to. It really doesn't matter, however, because here in the US we have the First Amendment (freedom of the press) and I believe many European countries have something similar. In these days of the internet it really doesn't matter if the British press doesn't publish, anyone can read anything. If whatever they say can be proven in a court of law to be slanderous or a gross invasion of privacy (such as those topless photos of Kate) then the BRF members can sue - as W&K did over those photos.

      Sadly, anon1, a lot of people (my mother included since she turned 80-I don't know why) believe what they read in the tabloids. It reminds me of the movie So I Married An Axe Murderer - It was in "the paper."

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    6. Robin, did you know ABC had a program about Meghan called something like "American Princess" on 20/20 Friday night? I missed it. I usually avoid Friday night television these days because of all those magazine shows. I enjoyed the first "48 Hours" programs with Dan Rather. It seemed a unique, in-depth, factual approach. I find myself avoiding a lot of news show lately, while I once watched CBS News with Walter Cronkite (I think he's still alive!), then NBC Nightly News with Huntley and Brinkley, followed some years later by Peter Jennings on ABC.I ended up with PBS News hour. Now, it is mostly BBC America and ABC/Aus online. I think my history of news might reflect my personal history. Ha!

      Back to my original thought. I don't know if I am sorry I missed that program or not. The promo I saw after the fact on DVR sounded as though her friends and relatives were going to be featured with their versions of Meghan. I do think the title mis-represents the situation. She will be an American who became a British Princess. There are no American Princesses-except maybe for the Disney ones, which probably got us and a bunch of little girls started on this Princess obsession to begin with. That and "Cinderella." :+)
      I realise I am quibbling. However, the word " Princess" brings certain preconceptions and expectations with it. I will try to see Harry and Meghan as she described in the VF interview-just two people in love- and adjust my expectations accordingly.anon1

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    7. No, I didn't see that program either. I rarely watch network television and I rarely watch any news. It's too depressing and everything has some spin on it and they're almost gleeful when they have a tragedy to report. Her friends and relatives are coming out of the woodwork now. When do you suppose her ex-husband will have found the right bidder for his story. You know it's coming. The Daily Mail has even tried to drag Chelsea and Cressida into the whole "engagement drama" they've cooked up. Honestly.

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    8. OK, anon1, you got me curious so I looked him up . . . Walter Cronkite died in 2009 at the age of 92. I thought he would have had to be very old if he were still alive. I remember watching him and the Huntley/Brinkley Report growing up as well. After all, there were only three networks plus a few local UHF channels. I feel old.

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  36. Thanks Jane for putting up a post about the two appearance yesterday. This is my final week of my post-grad career so I completely understand the stress you're under. Good luck with tour studies and I will continue to stop by to take a break from it all. xoxo

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    1. Mary from ManchesterDecember 2, 2017 at 3:37 PM

      Good luck, Ari.

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    2. Don't be a stranger, Ari. I'd miss your comments.

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  37. There is the most wonderful column in the NewYorkPost by writer Johnny Oleksinski about Harry’s engagement and why everyone is so happy for him. If you have a moment, read it! Not a waste of time and very enjoyable. Honestly, I choked up.😂

    Katie

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  38. BTW, don’t be put off by the articles title, “Why Harry’s Marriage Is A Bigger Deal Than William’s”. The writer is simply referencing Harry’s tough road after Diana’s death and how far he has come to find happiness.

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    1. Crummy title. I probably would have skipped it. Thanks for the heads up!

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  39. I know, Robin, that's why the warning! Hehe

    But it really is a great article. Why we care so much about Harry. William and Kate found each other young and built happiness. We want the same for Harry too.

    And it's written by a guy, which surprised me, who knows his RF facts and writes about feelings so well!

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    1. We can't forget the image of that cheeky little Ginger, pounding on the piano and making faces behind the at window of the car. Or the stoic little boy following behind his Mum's cortege. I think the fact that he was younger than William when Diana died made him seem more lost and vulnerable; which isn't really true, I think. As an adult he has recently shared his struggle with Diana's death and verbalized his desire for a family of his own. One would have to be made of stone NOT to care.
      I think many of us shared with him that hope . Now it is in his grasp. We share his joy.

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    2. You're right, it was a very nice article and quite insightful. I would guess that this man was a follower of Diana and he has, like most of us, really hopes for the best for her "boys" since she's not around to guide them and care for them.

      You're right, anon1, one would have to be made of stone to not care about Harry's happiness!

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  40. Mary from ManchesterDecember 3, 2017 at 10:52 AM

    Robin, RoyalFan, anon1, please tell me what is all this about photos of Kate out with her Mum and King's Cross station, and all the rest of it. I have been submerged in school work for the last several days and the only story I read was about Meghan and Harry. I commented a few times on that. I've read through your posts. What is the controversy? I take it this is all a gin up by the tabloids, but what's going on? Thank you. I appreciate it.

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    1. Exactly, Mary..."a gin up by the tabloids." I am now too exhausted and screen-blind to explain. Ha! Robin? Royalfan? anon1

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    2. Hi Mary, actually, it shouldn't be a big deal at all. Kate went to King's Cross and someone snapped a couple of pictures of her. Not an official engagement, just a personal errand. Then someone decided that Kate went out so she could steal Meghan's thunder on her first public appearance which is, quite frankly, nonsense in the extreme. A couple of little photos compared to dozens of photos, videos, and articles doesn't seem like any thunder was stolen and it certainly isn't something Kate would do. Much ado about nothing.

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    3. Mary from ManchesterDecember 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM

      Thanks anon1 and Robin. Yes, definitely a gin up then. I agree, Robin, that is not something Kate would do. Much ado, indeed.

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