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The Duchess of Sussex is Expecting + Couple Pictured Walking in Sydney!

Monday, October 15, 2018


Kensington Palace announced this morning that the Duchess of Sussex is expecting. Meghan and Harry apparently told the Queen, Charles, and the rest of the royal family at Eugenie's wedding on Saturday (this was the initial report, but I agree with those who are speculating that the Queen, Charles, and the Cambridges must have known beforehand). It does seem clear that they told the rest of the family, (presumably Wessexes, Yorks, etc at the celebration). Wills and Kate are, of course, "delighted" by the news, according to the Palace. 


Meghan is due in the spring of 2019, and thought to be about 12 weeks along right now. Speculation has been circling for a few weeks now, and has proved to be correct. She has apparently chosen to stay the course of the tour and still make the visit to Fiji and Tonga, despite the Zika presence in the area. The couple were pictured (and videoed) walking the gardens at Admiralty House after their arrival in Sydney as they prepare to start what will now be an even more exciting tour for the newlyweds.

You can see the video on The Sun's website here. Congratulations to Meghan and Harry. A baby is always good news! 

233 comments:

  1. I just heard on the news, so I thought I’d pop in here and see if you posted, Jane. How exciting!
    I guess that explains the billowing navy coat ( and why she did recycle The Prince Louis christening outfit!) at E&J’s wedding.
    Something to look forward to next year!

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    1. Ugh! I meant “ explains why she DIDN’T recycle the Prince Louis christening outfit” (Which I thought would have been perfect for an autumn wedding) :-)
      I was only 1 cup of coffee in...hahaha

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  2. Such happy news for Harry and Meghan. I can't wait to see Harry with his first child.

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    1. Same here. I am a bit misty eyed and sniffly thinking about it. He has been pretty outspoken about wanting kids for a while, which is refreshing. I am now personally hoping they will have multiple kids.

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  3. Wow! Didn't expect this today- they really got busy! Happy news- here's hoping she has a good tour without being too exhausted/ sick. At least there won't be incessant is she/isn't she? while we look at her fashion.... Here's to a healthy baby for them both!

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  4. Happy news indeed, although I am surprised at the timing of the announcement. Considering the time and effort involved in planning the tour, this personal news will overshadow the work they are there to do on behalf of the Queen.

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    1. I think they had to announce or the questions of is she or isn't she would have overshadowed the tour. Not to mention that she must be showing a bit. Her slim frame will reflect pregnancy early. Also she will be attending events where they will be toasting and or having to participate in things that she may not want to join in on. Now the questions are answered and they can move along with the job they are there to do! I am surprised that they did not what for the end of the tour but these things happen and they made it clear they wanted a family. She is 37 and pretty sure they want more than one so now is just as good as any other time I guess. Thrilling news. What a year for these two. That child is going to be gorgeous❤

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    2. Valid points, Diane. :-) And I do hope that if any Zika related adjustments are made on behalf of Meghan, they will be respected. Baby comes first in my book.

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    3. I was quite concerned that there would be problems for them having biologic children It is amazing how involved I can get in lives that are so far from me in many ways. But I do feel a cautionary sense of relief. Harry stole my heart as a wee one, as he did with many others. His emotions must be all over the place. Such joy yet such worry.

      They probably just got confirmation per US that all was proceeding well. They had to announce before the trip. Since they flew out Saturday evening after possibly getting home late after the reception Friday, there was not much time. It would not do to announce this news with them on foreign ground. And the next time all the family is together is Christmas and there would be no need for announcement by then.

      (Just a thought--I suspect her not drinking alcohol at the receptions would have set many tongues wagging. It was best to end the speculation before the trip, as Diane said.)
      I still feel a little for Eugenie although I understand the timing of the announcement.

      Kate was very slender but we had to go by her facial fullness and hair cuts until well into her second trimester. Ha! That is when the fetus comes up out of the pelvis. Since Meghan wears loose clothing usually anyway I wonder at the need for the coat to remain on throughout the service. It certainly got the pregnancy rumors going.

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    4. There's something of a pattern emerging between Australian tours and royal babies!

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    5. Funny you should mention the 1/2 unbuttoned coat staying on, anon 1. I felt she was trying to make it obvious she was pregnant because at 12 weeks, first baby, she would hardly show at all and would not need to dress like that. What really has me perturbed is that Harry looked upset through the whole service. Maybe he thought she was being too obvious about things and felt it wasn't the place or the time to make such an announcement? She's been known to force hands before.

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    6. Anon1, Sophie was older, 42 when her second child was born, and the Queen 37 when Eduard was born.

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    7. Anon1, I do feel for Eugenie. And, no, I am not suggesting that she ran up and down the corridors of Windsor Castle and screamed that it was her day. But if you consider that this has very much been H&M's year with a major PR campaign to introduce her as Harry's wife, and their royal rank being higher than the York sisters', I think more thought could have gone into the timing of the announcement. I'm sure the Queen, Charles, and W&K were aware of the news and while I respect that the rest of the Firm was gathered together for Eugenie's wedding, I do not think the rest of the family had to learn the news in person. Me thinks they would have given H&M a pass for not "going there" on Eugenie's wedding day and making the news public on another day. And is everyone aware of Sarah's tweets one minute after KP announced the pregnancy? She started tweeting personal messages about the wedding and did not mention the pregnancy. If that isn't telling, I don't know what is. Surely, if all was well and Eugenie had "signed off" on the news being made public on Friday, Sarah would have reached out with a different message.

      Unknown, I do agree with you. If she could wear a sheath dress today, I think a full skirt would have been just fine on Friday. Also agree on the possibility of forced hands. I think Meghan will take charge of her own PR whenever she can. I don't know if this is what upset Harry (I thought it was an exchange between them where she appeared to shut him down), but I did feel bad for him. Sorry to sound old fashioned, but HE is the blood royal and she is new to the Firm. In my opinion, she is the dominant person in the relationship and I wonder if that is the key to success here. From time to time, I have my "hmmmm" moments and this is one of them.

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    8. To be honest, the longer Meghan is around, the more disappointing she becomes. She comes across as really selfish. I’m sure the RF is still celebrating Eugenie’s wedding, as they did with William and Kate and Harry and Meghan. But Meghan made herself open to a lot of speculation by wearing her coat only half done-up at the wedding. To then go and announce this pregnancy this early when she’s very likely not showing isn’t right. Nor is it right that she is turning a tour meant to be about the Invictus Games and the Commonwealth tour on behalf of the Queen into a tour about whether she is showing her bump etc. This tour wasn’t supposed to be about her, it seems it was planned to highlight the work being done in the Commonwealth. It is also highly disappointing that she is putting her baby at risk, because even if there is only a slight chance of catching the Zika virus, there is still a chance. It all just comes across as selfish to me.

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    9. Even if she wasn't pregnant there was going to be plenty of attention on Meghan since this is her first royal tour. That was always going to overshadow Invictus (also everyone else they are seeing on the tour might not take kindly to the suggestion they are all less important than Harry's pet project).

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    10. Not to quibble too muc royal fan but the announcement was made public on Friday, but shared with the family. If wasmade public on Monday, after Eugenies wedding *weekend*.

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    11. No worries. I understand when it was shared with family and when it was announced to the public. My point was that Friday wasn't H&M's moment...it was Eugenie's. And as the senior royals who are not coverage-deprived, to say the least, allowing the focus to be on the bride would have been classy and gracious.

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    12. The above comments got me thinking but I don't want this to run too long. Ha! I AM trying to turn over a new leaf.
      I agree with royalfan that Meghan's pattern so far is to control her image. However, I don't think that is necessarily completely a bad thing and I also don't now think that it started with her being an actress. She has admitted to being ambitious and goal-directed. Controlling what other's think of one is part of achieving personal goals. (think job interview, for example) The undercurrent of image control runs in the royal realm. Watching HM directing activity on the steps in front of the church both at the wedding and at St. Mary's with Kate a few years ago reminded me of a Meghan story---that film clip from her childhood as she ran around at a party in a tiara, seemingly directing the activity. I see this determination and control in the next generation in Savannah, possibly in Charlotte. Certainly in Anne and Camilla as well as the Queen--- which might explain in part their apparent affinity with Meghan. I think Sophie started out this way but may have channeled her personal ambition into her charities. I think Sophie is now a more behind the scenes, "power behind the throne" kind of personality.I think all the senior royal women are strong in various ways. They would have to be. To admit weakness invites the jackals. We've seen that too.

      What remains to be seen is whether or not Meghan can channel her personal ambition into achieving for her royal work. The community cooking project was a good start. She said in The Tig that she wanted to publish a cookbook and eventually control a Martha Stewart sort of empire. She has apparently taken that personal ambition and re-directed it with that project.

      sidebar: I think that Harry-Meghan-Zara exchange was a matter of Harry noting the differences in his ceremony and Eugenie's, Meghan's reacting to that remark, and Zara laughingly responding that his was "louder." Meghan bent down to hear Zara's response. That's my interpretation. He did look sad and/or perhaps reflective to me but I don't think Meghan initiated his mood. Sometimes memory plays nasty tricks. His mood seemed to lighten once he was outside. His being in that cathedral setting as a spectator may have triggered some sad memories. Or thinking of childhood memories with Eugenie..the End of Childhood sort of thing.

      Well, this has ended up too long after all..

      PS I think Harry had been longing for someone to share the burden as well as the excitement and spotlight with him. Everyone who follows the royals wants him happy or at last not unhappy. This pairing of two who seem superficially so opposite might work.

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    13. I absolutely agree that Meghan should have waited to share her news. She did not need a big coat; she was just photographed wearing a tight green skirt and now a tight white sheath dress. She did not need to tell anyone at all for quite some time. It was Eugenie's day. End of. My husband and I purposely kept the secret, in our smallish family, of our first baby (the first grandchild!) all throughout my sister's wedding celebrations. My husband and I shared the news with our families later. We love my sister and her husband and would never have done anything that would have taken attention away from her event. We had our day; she was entitled to hers. So was Eugenie.

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    14. Royalfan, I agree with so much of what you have posted and what others of you have written. As I have mentioned I personally am not all that sure about Meghan. Harry is a laid back kind of guy and often that type of personality end up being with a more dominant gal. It can be good or not.

      The announcement of the pregnancy could easily have waited until after the tour I think. Interesting about the in charge of her own PR in view of the matching bracelets and the banana instagrams and then the wearing of the hinting outfit at E&J wedding. It is a bit concerning.

      I hope Harry remains true to himself and doesn't become lost. He keeps giving up some things he enjoyed a lot. However, it is still the honeymoon stage.

      Some things are good related to H&M but at the same time keeping the royal traditions and mystic is important too. Even though the royals have had their own personal troubled events, there has been a lot of good for charity etc and including the in awe reverence they have given to those who lost lives for their country. The people appear to come together for royal events as evidenced by the amount of people who show up in full support.

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    15. Katharine - what has Harry given up that he enjoyed so much?

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    16. Anon 11:55, What do you mean by The longer Meghan is around?. I hope you don't mean anything ominous.

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    17. ROYALFAN,You are not Meghan's doctor

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    18. I have an honest question for those who make comments to the effect of Harry is changing & they worry he isn't staying true to himself. By his own accounts, for many years when observers thought he was a laid back fun guy he was actually struggling with mental health issues and not feeling very well at all. Might some of the changes we see in him be a result of him seeking professional help and feeling healthier? And is that a bad thing?

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    19. 5:31, One doesn't need to be a doctor to know that a pregnant woman, or one actively trying to become so, should stay away from anywhere the Zika virus has been reported. Our own CDC has advised against travel to those places. Royalfan is not making things up.

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    20. Anon1, yes, image control can be a good thing. It does depend very much on how it's channeled.

      Anon 3:28 … exactly!

      Katharine, thank you and I agree with your thoughts as well.

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    21. It seems to me you are sincere in asking your question Anon 6:58 and I'm going to give a sincere answer from my perspective.

      In terms of psychological issues, change is hard. Even if one is in pain, feeling familiar pain is often preferable to the unknowns change may bring. So often people resist change even though objectively that might not make sense. And as you note, people sometimes cover up their pain by outwardly acting in a "happy-go-lucky" "fun-loving" way. So I agree with much of what you say.

      What concerns me about Harry though is that he SEEMS to be *outwardly* exhibiting signs of nervousness, anxiety, (a bit of) weight loss, and changeable moods over the last year or so. I realize I don't know him and none of us know how he really feels. And I'm certainly not trying to "diagnose" him from afar. Plus, even if he is showing those things, those signs MAY be an interim phase of what turns out to be a very positive final outcome for a person in transition. And I hope it is for Harry! What concerns me though is that in the midst of *possible* crucial psychological transitions he has made some pretty big decisions and life changes. Marrying after a *relatively brief* courtship (given the long distance factor, not the absolute time factor), on the way to being a father, etc. So IF he is in a period of psychological transition related to long-standing, underlying issues, I do wonder if things will go smoothly in the future. (And before people accuse me of "not liking" Meghan, I have defended her on this site many times. I'm just talking about Harry here.)

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    22. "Harry's pet project" is incredibly important to those athletes who compete. My son-in-law is one of them. Are you aware that there are 20 suicides per DAY in the veteran and active duty communities. If you have lost a limb or suffered a TBI your sense of self worth and your ability to take care of your family is severely impaired. PTSD sufferers range from periodic episodes of depression to a daily inability to function. These athletes competing in adaptive sports have something that helps ease their sense of worthlessness. My son-in-law lost two friends to suicide in a three week period of time this past spring. Did you know that if a veteran or an active duty warrior commits suicide their families lose all their benefits? Everything. Please never undervalue what Harry does for these men. Even though my son-in-law was on Team US, Harry couldn't have been nicer or more supportive of he and my daughter last year in Toronto. He truly cares about these athletes. Last year we saw a guy who lost all his limbs except one arm and he competed in the 100 meter freestyle swim. He came in dead last but every other swimmer in his heat stayed in the pool cheering him on and slapping the water so he could stay in his lane and see the end. It was honestly the most inspiring thing I've ever seen and the best example of true sportsmanship ever. As you can see, I'm very passionate about what Harry does.

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    23. I did know much of what you wrote about veterans, Robin. But I didn't know about the family benefit loss after suicide. How awful. And from what I gather from friends with military involvement, seeking mental health treatment can still be a career killer.

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    24. Thanks for your response lizzie. It was an honest question & what you said makes sense. I have noticed that Harry has seemed more outwardly nervous or uncomfortable too, but wasn't sure if that was just a case of us now seeing on the outside what had been going on in the inside. I agree that making major life changes during a "transition" period can be fraught, but I hope that he has surrounded himself with the support he needs to help navigate the waters. - Anon 6:58

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    25. Isn't that awful, lizzie? From what I understand the President is trying to fix some of these injustices for our military families. And, yes, seeking mental health treatment is a land mine in the military. One of my son-in-law's friends was told by his command that he could take the anti-depressants prescribed but only for six months. You would think they'd want these guys to get the help they need to do the best they can.

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    26. Anon6:58, lizzie, Robin, royalfan---excellent, thoughtful, informative and yet heart-felt comments!

      THIS discussion is a major reason I keep coming back to this blog--intelligent and beautifully-written comments. Thank-you, Jane, for allowing us this freedom. I know it can be an editor's nightmare at times and a few not so beautiful comments and militant Anonymous one-liners slip by; that is part of the price of free discussion. It seems every other royal blog moderator is so terrified of loss of control that comments become repetitive or one-sided and in some cases white-washed and sterile.

      I'd so much rather read about meaty ideas and concepts that concern the royals and all of us than read sugary, bland comment after comment that beg the question--what is NOT being said here?

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    27. RobinfromCA,
      Yes the CDC does recommend pregnant woman to stay away from Zika zones. But come on, Meghan is a member of the BRF, that to a senior royal, I am pretty sure that she was able to get in touch with an experienced Zika specialist and she has a top-notch obgyn. If her doctor says she can go I think it should be ok.

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    28. Jane, I agree with Anon1. Thank you for allowing us the freedom to express what we have been feeling. It has been a very good discussion.

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  5. I have never exactly warmed to Meghan but a baby is always a happy news and I wish them well.

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  6. It was Eugenie's and Jacks' day. While I'm delighted for their news and I understand the convenience of everyone being gathered, I think they should have waited just one more day to announce it.

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    1. I so agree with anon 7:56am. I think it was very bad manners to try to upstage the lovely wedding festivities of Princess Eugenie and Jack. Baby news is always exciting. Timing in sharing joyful news is of the essence.

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    2. Agree! Seems protocol would have come into play in this curmcustance. Very surprised they would do this at someone’s wedding?????

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    3. Good point. I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt. They could have told Queen/DofE, Charles/Camilla and Will/Kate early, but the rest of the family could have been notified on Sunday.
      ~ A

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    4. To give it another point of view, I truly think it depends on the dynamics of the family. If your family is competitive or if there is not a lot of closeness in the relationships, I could see it as a problem. I am very close with my cousins on my mother's side of the family. My cousin announced his first pregnancy at my wedding and it was wonderfully beautiful. It did not take away from our wedding in the slightest. I think good news begets good news - there wasn't a loss for either of us...just joy. I would have been so sad if they had held their news instead of sharing it when we were all together.

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    5. Wow. I will never understand the self-absorbed attitude that someone "owns" a day / weekend / month / season just because they're doing something - getting married - that literally millions of people do every year. I personally would be *thrilled* if friends or family announced good news at a party I was throwing. I host and entertain often, and it's not about being the center of attention, it's about showing love and care for friends and family and that I hope they have a good time.

      Also, it sounds like the couple just informed the close family, not that they made any kind of announcement from the stage or anything like that. Even if they did an announcement I bet that's the kind of thing they would clear with the Eugenie and Jack beforehand.

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    6. In all of the stories I read, they said that family members had congratulated them at the wedding, not that they had ANNOUNCED it to everyone. I’m sure they all knew before then.

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    7. Could be ~A. But Harry and Meghan flew out of London on Saturday for their tour. So if there was any notification to be done in person on Sunday to remaining family members still in Windsor, it wasn't done by Harry and Meghan. Maybe the timing re: Eugenie's wedding couldn't be helped but it is pretty unfortunate. It would have helped IMO if the KP announcement hadn't mentioned Eugenie's wedding at all re: receiving congratulations. That was tacky to me and looked like a "highjack." It is also unfortunate the public announcement came on International Pregnancy And Infant Loss Remembrance Day. I guess KP didn't know about that???

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    8. The entire royal family know the importance of how to keep things private until made public. I have no doubts all knew Before the wedding including Eugenie and Jack. The first opportunity to in person quietly congratulating them would be at the wedding. However, would they??? Someone might over hear. Come on. It all makes for a good media story with gullible people.

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    9. Clare--good point. I hadn't considered that possibility.
      However, if Zara already knew, I don't understand Zara's remarking on the "loudness" of H&M's wedding compared to E&J's. That could be friendly teasing but it was somewhat insulting, especially to Meghan,as the choir and minister were her nod to her heritage and were enthusiastically loud. I hope Zara was mis-quoted. This was after Harry remarked (supposedly)how different this wedding was from his. Zara was apparently responding to that and must have spoken quietly as Meghan bent forward to hear her. That is not a remark one would make to a beloved cousin if one were aware of the pregnancy news. I don't think Zara knew.
      I think it would be nice if the couple were only receiving congratulations, not announcing. I had not looked at any Royal news yet today. I came here first, as usual. I haven't seen what's out there about this (or even the comments below) but I can imagine. Headlines and taglines geared to stimulate the most interest and clicks. I am hoping the announcing at the wedding part was tabloid nonsense.
      The Windsors aren't your typical family. Announcements of this nature are not just a happy family affair. It has international interest that is magnified by the tour.

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    10. I don't disagree about tabs often using headlines for clicks Anon 1. But I am curious--- is there ANY news source in the UK that is not a tabloid? As I posted earlier, the BBC story stated explicitly the Queen and senior royals were told the news on Friday while gathered at Windsor for the wedding. Is the BBC really a tabloid?

      So far as Zara's remark, it sounds like a teasing remark to a close cousin to me. (And remember the photos of Zara open-mouthed at H&M's wedding? Her feelings were kind of on display to the world.) I don't really understand why the remark would be more out of line if Zara knew about the pregnancy. Meghan must know theirs was NOT a typical COE service. That was the whole point of those added elements wasn't it? If she didn't know what they chose was very unusual she certainly must have known after attending at least two British weddings this summer with Harry. On the other hand, if Zara's remark was intended to be cruel instead of teasing, it seems it would be cruel regardless of Meghan's reproductive status. Personally I think Zara probably didn't know simply because I expect the news was shared later in the day instead of in the early am but I still don't see why that matters re: her remark.

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    11. A bride like that must be a pain, no one can share good news as pregnacies or somethimg to she being the center of the universe?? A wedding is a sacrament no the shooting of a movie...

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    12. I wish those lip readers would just keep their opinions to themselves. Honestly, how can anybody read the lips of a family who barely move their mouths when they speak? Anyone with Windsor blood must be taught from birth how to do this.

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    13. Anonymous 10:51, Good point. Harry and Meghan could have informed rest of royal family on Saturday or Sunday prior to Monday public news announcement. The main point is there was no announcement to family members on the wedding day itself nor a place to congratulate unless as a whisper during a hug lol.

      As to who knew when and in what order etc. we will just never know. We can only speculate and speculate as we always do. It is all in our enjoyment. The British royal family are fascinating and I appreciate their traditions. All of my ancestors are from Great Britain but 75% are from England. (Although I do have a possible 1 branch leading to France). England has my heart.

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    14. This seems like extreme speculating as to what the conversation was between Zara, Meghan, and Harry. This is almost absurd. Anon in CA

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    15. I am not a fan of Meghan and her attention grabbing personality but I am not shocked at all they announced the pregnancy at the wedding. AmyLue said it best: "I think good news begets good news - there wasn't a loss for either of us...just joy." I don't feel it is rude to give good news at a wedding.

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    16. Totally agree. If thry realy made the anouncement on the wedding celebrstion, i don't think that's a nice thing to do...
      All the best wishes fior them of course

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    17. HaHaHa! Robin. I lip read from necessity and I need closed-caption to understand the BBC reporters. I did understand Bea at the wedding. And the Deacon.

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    18. Good point about the BBC Lizzie (2:16) Other than The Guardian, it is difficult to tell the difference between "respected news" sources and tabloid sources anymore. However, the BBC and Andrew reportedly had a bit of a falling out over the televising of Eugenie's wedding. There may be sour grapes/spitefulness involved when it comes to Andrew-related coverage. I think the broadcast ended up with some pretty good numbers and Andrew and the couple gave ITV some fairly unprecedented )to me) access and unusually candid interviews.. There's that, too.

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  7. Im so so happy for them! Thank you Jane for posting the happy news.

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  8. Does anyone else think it in poor taste to make such an important announcement AT Eugenie and Jack's wedding reception? Perhaps it was an intentional jab considering Harry's Uncle Andrew got a bit snarky in comparing his daughter's wedding to Harry and Meghan's. It was such a special day for Jack and Eugenie and I can only think this detracted from their moment at least a little. I realize to say anything prior would have been awkward and all eyes definitely would have been on Meghan and not Eugenie. They also have a dilemma now that they are on tour and how the news might detract from their purpose there. Kind of a catch 22 I suppose.

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    1. It was Eugenie and Jack’s day and I think IF they made the pregnancy announcement then - it is shockingly bad mannered and very rude

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    2. Blank, stop and think about it. When during the wedding or reception right after does one have opportunity to say, we are going to have a baby. I can guarantee they all knew Before the wedding. The royals all know when and importance of releasing that kind of news to the public. It is all carefully orchestrated. The media loves to portray differently and unfortunately to gullible people.

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    3. I believe the report was that everyone was able to congratulate them in person when they saw them at the wedding, not that they told everyone at the wedding.

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    4. Katharine, if it HAD been widely known within the family, I think the news would have gotten out. I do believe that they shared the news with the extended family on Friday (with only the Queen/PP, C&C, and W&K knowing ahead of time).

      And while I understand that family dynamics differ, let's not kid ourselves. This is "the Firm" and rank matters. Eugenie, with a lower rank than H&M, could have been allowed her one day...… IMO.

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    5. Royalfan, you no doubt are right. I do agree that the immediate royal family knew prior to wedding day.

      But if H&M chose to inform at the first wedding reception might have gotten leaked prior to Monday too, right??

      Yes it does also depend on who one might trust within the royal family circle. I still think the main ones have learned the importance of their royal secrets. Harry though has been close with Eugenie so there is that too as relating to his letting her know his good news.

      I so agree too that was very poor taste to release information when it was. Eugenie & Jack waited a long time and I suspect along with others Jack waited before his proposal so as not to interrupt H&M very long time to celebrate their engagement, meet the people tours and wedding. E&J deserved their own time for their celebration.

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  9. Lovely news to brighten a cold Monday morning. Congratulatios to them both
    She's a brave lady to set off on such an intensive tour, so I hope someone ensures that she gets any rest she needs/

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  10. It’s lovely that they are e petting. I think it was actually made very obvious by her posture and outfit on Friday. I think she really telegraphed this with her open coat slight lean forward and coy look as she got out of her car. Not a big deal but it’s a little attention getting right in the middle of a relative’s wedding. Megan seems more invested in attention than Katherine but it may be because William and Jatherine were in the spotlight together from when she was still almost a teenager.
    I am very happy for Harry that he will have his own sweet family. He has looked longingly at William’s for such a while.

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  11. I really think their staff should have never scheduled the tour for so soon after Eugenie's wedding. Then they could have waited a few more days to let Eugenie have her moment!

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    1. Considering the discomfort some people had with the expense of Eugenies wedding it might not be so bad if she doesn't stay in the headlines too long. No other minor royal has had a wedding on that scale, and if people were concerned that Harry & Megans wedding was too "Hollywood" for the BRF then Eugenies guest list & over the top multi-day bash might have been causing some discomfort. She had a glorious day, but it might be ok for life to move on...

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    2. Visit timed with Invictus Games - with the long travel don't think they could have pushed it back by much.

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    3. Harry had to be at Invictus so the timing was pretty much set. The Sydney Invictus schedule was known before H&M publicly acknowledged that they were even dating.

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  12. Am I the only one who has not yet seen KP specifically say "they told the Royal Family on Friday at Eugenie's wedding"? They said "The Royal Family were able to congratulate them on Friday" as in...they all definitely knew before Friday and it was the first time they were together as a family in a few weeks/months. Fine distinction that people are blowing WAY out of proportion. If anyone can find something to the contrary, please share!

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    1. The BBC reported "The Queen and other senior royals were told about the pregnancy on Friday, when members of the Royal Family gathered in Windsor for Princess Eugenie's wedding." That may not be an accurate report--the BBC is not KP-- but people commenting here and elsewhere have hardly created the story out of whole cloth. It also doesn't help that KP reports lack credibility at times.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-45861683

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    2. Good point. The official KP announcement does not speak to when the BRF found out. A royal reporter stated the family congratulated them at the wedding. I will say though that the larger BRF could have been notified on Sunday. Eugenie deserved at least one day of being the center of attention, like every newlywed couple does.
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    3. Anon 9:11 here, I still doubt they took the mic at the wedding to announce! I really just don't think it's true, they know way better and are way closer as a family than to do that. Notice how the senior royals did their best to keep a low profile throughout Eugenie's day (as evidenced in their outfit choices, their entry and exit points, etc.). My guess is immediate family members knew around 8 weeks and extended family were told around 12 weeks, which was probably towards the end of last week. The PR and communications aspect of this is enormous--requires people on many different fronts (doctors, private secretaries, assistants, family members and the Queen) knowing these things well in advance for coordinated efforts. This didn't just pop up casually at the wedding; rather, KP meant that statement as the rest of the firm shared in the couple's good news at a family event.

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  13. I think announcing a pregnancy at a wedding is usually not a good idea; however, I completely understand why they did it. They were thoughtful enough to not do it prior to the wedding, and they were forced to in a way due to their tour. Unfortunately, today (Monday) the wedding would have still been big news, and now it's overshadowed, so I could see the Yorks being a little miffed (I'm watching morning news programs right now and the baby news is big and not much about the wedding) - I think with time they'll realize it was all precarious timing.

    I'm thrilled for them! I still stand by my concerns about Meghan, BUT a baby is good news and this is what her and Harry wanted. It's good news all around!

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    2. Anon, better not ask, I could give you a long list of concerns but as ~A says, a baby is good news and now is not the time to voice them

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  14. Suzanne in ColoradoOctober 15, 2018 at 10:24 AM

    Very good point Anonymous 9:11!

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  15. I have to say that this isn't surprising news. I'm not one to play the is she isn't she game with royal pregnancies. The scrutinizing of someone's body shape seems such an invasion of personal space. However, I do agree that Meghan telegraphed this news at the wedding on Friday. In all fairness, the KP tweet did not say when the family was told. It seems the only ones saying they were told at the wedding is the press. If they did make the announcement to the family at the wedding then it was in poor taste. They could have told family members in advance and asked them not to say anything until after the wedding which this family is very capable of doing. The more insensitive issue is that they made the announcement on Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day. Where were the protocol staff when this gaffe was made? If she does go to the places where the Zika virus is known to exist I think that's very careless.

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    1. Yes... For all their focus on mental health, I feel like somebody should've known..

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    2. I personally found the announcement on this day of all days deeply upsetting and tone deaf. It’s Pregnancy And Infant Loss Remembrance Day...could they not have announced on Sunday (en route to Australia) instead of today? While a baby is a blessing and always wonderful news, today was not the day for the announcement out of respect for the unimaginable pain many women and families were recognizing today. Shame on whoever made this announcement decision. While I wish Meghan and Harry the best, I am deeply disappointed in this decision that they most certainly had a say in regardless of who was advising them. Their claims that they care so much for mental health and wellness have proven to be false.

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    3. Why do Meghan and Harry have to hold off on celebrating their Baby just because some people last theirs. Your heartbreak should not inhibit somebody else’s joy.

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    4. Robin, please don't get me started on the Zika part of the equation. Baby comes first in my book and even a 1% chance of complications is too much. I have a feeling that Meghan wants to make a statement by not altering any tour plans because of her pregnancy, but a baby becomes a priority and no one with a heart and reasonable mind would hold it against her.

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    5. Robin, after seeing the pics from Tuesday in Australia her bump isn’t very big. No need for the partially buttoned up coat at the wedding. I agree I think it was for attention. Her $75,000 USD engagement photo dress. Partially buttoning up a jacket like she has a big bump at a widely broadcast wedding. She’s loving the attention & money too much.
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    6. I understand people's Zika concerns but from what I've read they have consulted with medical professionals about the risk and have chosen to move forward with the tour as planned. Protecting baby is imperative , but it's also good to be realistic about risks & it sounds like that's what the Sussexes are doing.

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    7. The tone of the comments regarding Meghan's informed decision to still travel to areas where Zika has been reported are offensive. There are millions of mothers who must make informed, balanced decisions about the care of their children every day. Please trust them to do so. Not to mention that there are thousands of women who LIVE in these very areas while pregnant and the idea that someone can't be there for even three days is hysterical and smacks of un-examined privilege. I'm a public health professional. I suggest you learn something before throwing around silly comments like 'even if the risk is 1%' (its far far lower) before casting your judgement and privilege out into the world.

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    8. I think the press or social media or whoever brought up infant loss day originally was deflecting or going for conflict--which apparently worked--to boost readership. I also lost an infant and still think of him daily nearly fifty years later. I don't need a special day to remember. I also don't think my loss or memory is tainted by another's happiness in new parenthood.

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    9. 1) I advise the wait and see approach. Will she actually end up going to those areas and if so will special provisions not available to resident mothers be taken.
      2)I advise those concerned about Zika to read up on US government travel advisories. Local US/Canadian public health services likely don't deal with Zika.

      3) Consider that the Summer Olympics in Brazil also dealt with a Zika scare. I haven't heard any press about fallout from that. I do think most of the athletes were younger and unmarried and likely not pregnant. It may not be comparable to a 37 year old married pregnant woman's taking the risk. Having both parents involved doubles the risk. I don't think the athletes had much contact with the general population anyway.
      We are talking about severely deformed babies here. It is not something to take lightly.

      My opinion: I do think Zika is a serious consideration. I am sure those involved are taking it seriously. However, I am more concerned about viruses such as German measles and CMV, to name a couple. Those sweet hugs with children could expose her to a variety of germs, not to mention all that handshaking. Maybe she should wear gloves, as the Queen does. Heck---why not wear a mask, too.

      PS Zika is transmitted by mozzies. One can bite you right off the boat. No need to spend three days there. Zika is not like TB, which IS dealt with by most local public health services. TB exposure DOES hinge on time/distance/protection.

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    10. Anonymous at 12:04 hit the nail on the head!

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    11. 9:29, you obviously have not experienced the loss of a pregnancy or a child. I lost three. My daughter lost four. We have a friend who lost their infant daughter. Let me tell you that while you are still of child bearing age with a painful loss (or several) weighing heavily on you the announcement of new pregnancies hurts your heart in unbelievable ways. So, yes, on a day to raise awareness about these struggles this announcement was as insensitive as it gets. Even more so when the whole world is watching and talking about this big announcement. As 1:32 said, they are supposed to be concerned with mental health and this set them back a bit in my opinion. Are we supposed to tell Harry and William that their mother died over 20 years ago so they should just suck it up and get over it? Hardly.

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  16. I think it was the same as any family gathering-those in the know trying to keep it under wraps and failing miserably, pretty soon everyone at the bash knows. At 37, you don't put off your first child for convenience of the Royal family.

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  17. Guys, the wedding was on Friday, with an after-party on Saturday. M and H didn't stay for the wedding reception Friday evening, and left for Australia on Saturday. It was obviously in their plans to announce before the tour, which makes sense, so announcing to extended family at the wedding makes sense, since I'm sure H and M wanted to tell them in person.

    It might have been rude at the average Joe's wedding, but it's clear that royal engagements trump royal weddings, as Camilla's absence on Friday indicated. So if they had to announce before the tour officially got underway, I see no problem with them mentioning it at the wedding.

    Even without the pregnancy, the tour and Meghan's wardrobe would have eclipsed the wedding in the news.

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  18. Surely it must be obvious that they didn't stand up at the wedding reception and announce it, otherwise
    it would have been all over the news by Friday afternoon.
    Most of the senior royals were at Windsor by Thursday when they could have been told.
    Had it not been announced this morning, most of the tour reporting would have been conjectures about a pregnancy/

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  19. Is it just me but I find it very disrespectful that they announced their baby news at the wedding.

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    1. I think they probably wouldn't have if they weren't leaving for their tour the next day. It could just be an awkward timing issue. I had a family member who announced her pregnancy just before my wedding because she had just passed the 12 week mark and was trying to figure out if it would be better to announce before so people wouldn't ask at the wedding or to risk "overshadowing." Sometimes timing isn't perfect but if you take the position that an over abundance of joyful is a good thing than it can feel easier to avoid hurt feelings.

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    2. Disrespecful?? I do not understand how a good news can be that, unless the bride and the groom were mean people. Sorry, I am not British, in my country the bride and the groom give presents to the next couple to marry and next mothers to be..

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    3. I doubt it was an "announcement" It sounds like close family was told just before the wedding and it was the first chance they got to see the prospective parents face-to-face. In a large busy family things happen. It was Eugenie's day and nothing could take that away from her.

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  20. That’s wonderful news for them both! I thought she’d just become a little plumper but it seems the rumors & speculation turned out to be true. At 12 weeks, the tour shouldn’t be a problem at all. So happy Harry’s to be Dad finally 😋

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  21. I have never warmed to Meghan but A baby is always happy news and I wish them well although I'm shocked that they would would do it at the wedding,talk about upstaging the bride.

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  22. I truly thought they would wait until after their extensive fall tour to begin trying for a baby or even after having a full year of marriage. But Meghan's age of 37 plays a huge factor. I am so thrilled for Harry. I admit I am still not sure about Meghan but I want Harry to be happy in all aspects of his life since he had seemingly more after affects of losing his Mum. Harry is such a sweet loving and very caring guy. I am hoping for a boy for Louis.

    Congratulations Harry and Meghan.

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  23. I rarely comment here or anywhere for that matter. I have been a huge Kate fan for some time. I am also a huge Meghan fan. I am commenting because I was struck by the nasty side swiping in the comments. An abundance of think the worst and then write it down. I have seen this in many places but absolutely did not expect to see it here. This is very sad.

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  24. When I saw her coat at the wedding, that was the first thing I thought--maternity outfit! Yay!

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  25. Hi Jane,I don't know if you saw this yet but Pippa has arrived at the Lindo wing with James carrying overnight bags.

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  26. Yes! I am so excited. I shared the news on Instagram earlier, but I probably won't write a post about it here until they announce the baby has been born.

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    1. Wow, I've been away from social media for a bit and I hadn't heard this. So exciting!

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  27. Can I just say it really hurts to read this blog when Jane posts anything about Meghan. There's always an undercurrent of "there's something about Meghan that I just dont like." When really, I think that's a veiled diss because of her ethnicity and her former career. I love love love the way Jane covers royal news around Kate, and a lot of times the comments about Kate overlook her flaws. Kate is a flawed Duchess, even now. Meghan on the other hand has not put forth a single wrong step. I consider it a treat when Jane writes about Meghan, but some of these comments really ruin that.

    -H

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    1. @Anon 4:49 - with all due respect, engaging in identity politics - bringing up the race card - without a shred of evidence is sad. We’re all entitled to our opinion about Kate and Meghan; to like them or not for whatever reason.

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    2. I personally have never warmed to Meghan and it has nothing to do with her race since I am a woman of colour.Both duchesses are not perfect but I just don't find her as sincere as Kate and that is just my observation of her,I certainly don't hate her or wish her ill.I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone is a "hater".

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    3. I hate the negativity too but think Kate gets just as much or more. If you read her comments there are an excessive amount of people being unhappy with her hair, dress,... all superficial things. I've just come to understand that pictures lead most people to have a 2 dimensional view of what's going on and many people just care about superfiscial things not the depth of character & relationships. I don't read comments often because they ruin the lovely article Jane writes. Maybe just read that for a while.

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    4. H, did you just say Kate is flawed but Meghan is perfect??? That's kind of a garbage-y comment.

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    5. Well, perhaps it has to do with sincerity where some commenters are concerned, and ZERO to do with race. IMO, if she is fully in Harry's corner, is in it for the right reasons, and has his back 100%, I don't give a fig about anything else.

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    6. Not the race card again! Now that is rude !!

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    7. H, I could not agree with you more. I think there's a current of it everywhere, and not just this blog. It seems that nearly no one commenting here can appreciate both ladies for who they are and focus on the positive aspects that spark their interest (though Jane does do that, to her credit). I see the comments above saying that it's 'rude' to say it has anything to do with race or career status, but indeed many of the comments feel to have that undercurrent to me as well.

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    8. Stop assuming everything's about race. I don't like Megan Markle because she is a militant feminist. The anti-Kate women complain Kate is lazy because she stays home with the kids. Now they have the ultra-feminist Meghan who loves the spotlight and the international scene, and they use her as an example of why she is the better modern woman. It is ugly.

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    9. I can only speak for myself. I have been on the fence regarding Meghan since the beginning. I didn't like how she handled a few things before their relationship became official. I didn't like a few things that were said at their engagement, and I've raised my eyebrows a few times since their marriage. I understand she is experiencing a huge learning curve right now and needs to be given the chance, over time, to prove herself. I love watching what she is wearing and I think the Together project is remarkable but several things that have happened seem self serving to me and that is where my reservations come in. I was struck by the photo Jane tweeted when they arrived in Australia, particularly. Jane captioned it "Meghan looks pumped", I think...and she did...a little too much. My impression is that she loves her new position and she loves the attention. She was looking for the cameras. She has the fame and prestige she couldn't achieve as an actress. So, you know, I would love for her to prove me wrong but my point is that all of this has absolutely nothing to do with her race.

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    10. How is a militant feminist defined? Meghan seems to me to be very feminine and not at all outspoken to be termed 'a militant feminist', but then again, I don't know how a militant feminist is defined.

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    11. I think sometimes we choose what to hear and see or remember from amongst the available comments. There are plenty of nice comments about Meghan. I have tried to give Meghan the benefit of the doubt and see alternative explanations in issues. I do this for Kate and I try to do that for Meghan. I say "try" only because I am human and have likes and dislikes. I am put off by pushy, aggressive people. I am not saying this describes Meghan. I hope it does not. I think ambition and the need for control, correctly channeled and wisely pursued, are fine. However, there is a fine line between control and dominance, ambition and self-absorption. Meghan has been on the royal scene for only a couple of years. However, via her blog and interviews she gave, we can retroactively gain a sense of who she was before, even though many of us had not heard of her prior to her association with Harry. We also knew little of Kate before she became involved with William. The difference is--we only have general facts about Kate's education, parents' business and such. We do not have the window into Kate's pre-royal thoughts and feelings that a personal blog and repeated interviews from the time can provide regarding her new sister. We had the "what" for Kate but not the "why" we have for Meghan, thanks to her being in the public domain for many years before she entered royal life.

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    12. Thank you Anon1, I so appreciate your posts. You expressed how I feel.

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    13. Feminist?? women against women again?? Can't women rule the world?? Is not the Queen feminist? Isn't she powerful?? and probably better than most of men.

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    14. I'm in the "there is something I just don't like" camp about Meghan. My opinion has nothing to do with her race nor her former career. It has everything to do with her family situation and prior life choices. I think she is a manipulative social climber who chose this path for the title, money, attention and social status not the man. Could I be wrong? Of course. I don't know her personally. But as an outside observer, that's the vibe I get from her history and choices. For Harry's sake, I hope I'm wrong.

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    15. Katherine--11:26-thank-you for the kind words. Sometimes I get the feeling I am talking to myself here. Ha!
      I don't think we ever err when it is on the side of kindness. However, some of us who went through the nineties with the Windsors may be a little jaded. We want to believe Harry has found his perfect mate but history has taught us to be cautious here. The breakup of Charles and Diana in such terrible public detail dampened our hopes for royal fairytale happy endings. William and Catharine revived our hope but some of us are still wary.
      I think Meghan followed the BRF well before meeting Harry and I base this on an interview she did at the time in which she criticised W&C's wedding and the attention Kate received because of it. She probably is aware that Kate had to cancel her tour to Malta due to pregnancy--HG. I have the impression that M has set out to do the opposite of Kate--- (her wedding certainly was) --sometimes to the point of one-upmanship-- especially with activity for which Kate was criticised. That is a useful strategy for PR. Learning from others" "mistakes" is wise.
      It is also a "younger sister" type of reaction. Kate is a tough act to follow. I think Pippa may also sometimes do things quite differently from her sister. She made a point in her magazine articles of how healthy her pregnancy was. Her wedding, in my opinion, was a scaled-down version of Kate's, however. She chose to give birth in the Lindo Wing-- although James and Pippa kindly delayed their announcement in the wake of H&M's announcement. New Mom Pippa is in the position of many younger siblings of well-known and liked persons. Some get attention from acting badly. (Some older siblings do this also.) Some try to emulate the success/lifestyle of the other.

      Meghan was already almost a polar opposite to her new sister. She just continued on that line. She may see it as a means of survival. At any rate, the differences add interest, contrast,and skills to the BRF. That can be a good thing.

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    16. In my mind the jury is still out on Meghan but I always defend her when I think the comments are unfair. I am so tired of being called a racist if I don't agree with someone. It's become such a cheap shot and a really tired accusation. Who cares what half of her color is? Quite frankly, it's the white half of her family who are trashy. I can still doubt her sincerity because it's my right to have an opinion just as it's the race-baiters right to toss around that offensive accusation.

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    17. Faith (2:41), we've been on the same path. And I will just add that for some of us a degree of goodwill has been lost because the humanitarian chatter really didn't take off. Instead, I think the focus has been on new outfits, PDA, and an overall popularity-based approach to royal duties. This **IMO** is not the stuff of which solid royal foundations are made.

      Anon1, on more than one occasion I have been convinced that Meghan was "doing the opposite" for a reason. I'm sure she IS well aware of recent royal history, but it might be wise to read up on older chapters to see what does or does not "fly" behind palace walls.

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    18. I agree Anon1. I too think Meghan followed the BRF before she met Harry and now has the benefit of "learning" from what Kate has been criticized for not doing so that she, Meghan, does the opposite. (Remember she also made an overture to Kate by sending Kate a copy of her friend Lindsay's book way before she even met Harry). The first thing that came to mind when I heard about Meghan's pregnancy is that Kate had had to cancel her Malta tour, which was unfortunate for Kate but which may be capitalized on and used to an advantage by her new sister, who is seen as one who has been working so hard since her engagement to Harry. I also agree that Meghan was already almost a polar opposite to Kate, and she is smart enough to continue along that trajectory now in earnest. Her involvement with the Grenfell women's community kitchen and subsequent publication of the cookbook and launching event comes to mind as a master stroke on her part. Compared to Kate, she's seen as engaged, focused, and hard-working Also, as a couple the Sussexes are seen as approachable, thoughtful, down-to-earth, and now wonderful parents to be, (who won't even need to hire a nanny), while the Cambridges, regardless of what they do, are seen as out-of-touch and workshy, with an army of household staff to care for their children. This narrative is reinforced by the media, but one wonders if KP PR is not somehow at fault for not being able to control and shape the story better. In my view, the Cambridges never got the kind of roll-out that the Sussexes have been getting, and I wonder how involved Charles is in lending support to the new couple, who are not the kind of threat to him that the Cambridges may be. Charles and Camilla's affinity for Meghan is palpable and appears to be sending a message to W&K. The palace intrigue around the BRF has certainly become even more intriguing with Meghan's arrival. Ultimately, I hope everything will work out well for Harry. The new dynamics can be a good thing as long as it doesn't undermine W&K's position to promote the new couple.

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    19. I have the same opinion as 11:30 and this opinion is more and more confirmed by what Meghan says in interviews, speeches and comments.

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    20. Wecy, reading the press, it would indeed seem M&H are building their popularity at the expense of K&W. But paradoxically, the fact that Meghan has joined the BRF has boosted Kate's popularity by comparison. Meghan's way of doing things differently has often been interpreted as a disregard for the family, the country and the culture that has welcomed her. Kate's respect of tradition, elegance, unassuming personality are now better appreciated.

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    21. I'm not sure that M&H are taking away from W&K. They are the new hot item so attention is on them at the moment, but that also take the glaring spotlight off W&K and their children - which might be a nice reprieve for them. If I were W&K I'd rather have the papparazzi chasing down Meghan than George & Charlotte. In the long run W&K are going to be King & Queen and the Sussexes will fade into the background. It can only help the BRF to have as many family members as possible who connect with some segment of the population (both in Britain and throughout the Commonwealth). It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.

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    22. I agree that H&M are not taking away from W&K.

      William and Kate represent the "remain calm and carry on" approach to Royal duties. They don't want the focus to be on their private lives, or Kate's wardrobe; they have achieved a healthy balance between their public and private lives.

      H&M have had quite a year with a good dose of PR behind them, but the more I see them performing royal duties the more it seems as though they want to be seen as being fun and having fun. I'm not a prude and I don't object to a bit of PDA, but this is the sort of behavior I'd rather see during a quiet afternoon of Polo when they're off duty. I realize that some people see this as a breath of fresh air, but I recall a certain "breath of fresh air" from the 80s and it ended with the palace closing its windows. And this couple is close to 40...not in their mid-20s.

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    23. Wow, these discussions have been so good!!! I am so relieved to know I have not been alone in my thoughts. So many of you echo me. Thank you too for the "race card" comments for that has felt hurtful since I do not have any prejudice towards anyone.

      Thank you for many intelligent outstanding and thought provoking posts!

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  28. Our local news has just reported that Doria will be moving to the UK to help with the baby as Meghan does not want a nanny. Has anyone else heard this?

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    1. I thought she just opened her own clinic. This sounds like a tabloid story.

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    2. William and Catherine reportedly wanted to manage royal life without a nanny. They were unable to do so. It will be interesting to see if Meghan is successful in forgoing a nanny, if she so chooses. I actually can imagine Harry happily doing Dad duty, while Meghan does the rounds.
      Kate's motive, according to subsequent statements, was her need to bond with and be closely involved with her baby.It sounds admirable in concept but difficult in reality with travel and tours. Their stated plan to ensure that at least one parent is available at all times has brought criticism , with some calling for more joint activity by the couple. Also, as William is the heir and has been called upon increasingly to travel on diplomatic duty overseas and generally step in for the Queen, that plan would necessarily limit time available for Catherine to also be active outside the home.
      Again, criticism.


      One thing about having a nanny around--they are privy to personal family interaction. Privacy goes out the window. I think the Cambridges were both blessed and wise in their choice. If the story is not true (and I also suspect it is creative tabloid narrative), I hope Meghan and Harry are as fortunate in their choice of child care help. It would be great if Doria could be that person. Her life appears less complicated than the married Carole's who also runs a business but I imagine Doria has a full life of her own.

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    3. I am sure that William was deeply affected by the loss of his Mum but he doesn't wear his heart on his sleeves like Harry does. Nothing wrong with that. William was so very fortunate to have found Kate so early on when he did as the influence of Carole and Michael has been powerful for him. A grounded family as evidenced by all three of their children who have handled being in the royal limelight with class.

      I think it would be so right for Doria to move to England and assist H&M wherever and whenever she can even with children they have. They in turn need her grounded experiences with life. She has handled herself with grace and class with her introduction to England royal life.

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  29. There seems to be much speculation here about who was told what when. And it’s causing some sniping (not my word, but it fits).
    The fact is we had a beautiful wedding and a joyous announcement; we don’t really know when H&M told the family nor do we know if any one was upset.
    So let’s be happy for the lovely young people starting lives together and creating new families. :-)

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    1. Amen. It was a lovely weekend for these couples. Why can't we all just enjoy good news. I loved the wedding- Eugenie looked stunning- the Yorks had a nice party. Harry and Meghan have good news to share- and now onto the work at hand! Period. The end. I get so fed up with sniping. How would you cope with an overseas tour,pregnancy and the interminable internet scrutiny?

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  30. I understand people have differing views about whether it is appropriate to announce a pregnancy at someone else's wedding. And that's fine. But I think it ought to have been foreseeable that some people might find it tacky to announce at a wedding. So once again, I think KP has unnecessarily caused bad feelings by the wording of an official announcement. Those people are *supposed* to be communication and public relations experts, after all! Part of the announcement said:

    "The Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall and Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are delighted for the couple and were able to congratulate them on Friday at the wedding in person.

    To begin with, I don't believe Camilla was able to congratulate them "on Friday in person" at the wedding or anywhere else. But more importantly, why not just name those royals and say they "are delighted"? And leave it that instead of talking about congratulations being given at "the wedding" (without even saying whose wedding it was.) That approach would be more similar to announcements for Kate's pregnancies as well as Diana's.  Or even leave that whole section out and let the PR teams for each senior royal send something out shortly after the KP announcement? So far as I know KP doesn't speak for the Queen or for Charles. And I'm not sure why it's KP's job to give the public a timeline of when congratulations were received by the couple. Instead, what was written opens the door to speculation about whether the focus on Eugenie's day was unfairly affected. (And I really don't think it's veering into bridezilla territory to consider that Friday was "her day!")

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    2. Eugenie had her day. In fact she had her entire weekend. The family might have talked about the Sussex baby for part of the day on Friday but headlines were all about Eugenie until Monday. The more people push the "how rude" interpretation the more I think that Eugenies wedding needs to be put into perspective. She had a beautiful wedding - but it was over the top for a minor royal and a Sussex baby is far more important for the BRF overall.

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    3. I agree it wasn't rude. But disagree a Sussex baby is more important for the RF than a York wedding. Harry's child will be in the same position Eugenie was at birth. Minor royal.

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    4. If the long-term plan for the BRF is to slim down then anything having to do with Charles’ line is more important than whatever is happening with the children of the Queens other children. I was thinking of it from an organizational point of view, not as a matter of them as a family.

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    5. Sliming down will reach Harry's children too. When William is King they will be as irrelevant as Margaret's children are now 7:49

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    6. Yes I agree 7:49, but right now it is Charles consolidating power so what happens with his children is significant.

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    7. 7:49, that will likely happen some time from now but that is not the immediate present. In that same vein of thought, eventually even Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis’ children will be considered minor royals (who probably won’t have titles themselves, similar to Princess Anne’s kids).

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    8. lizzie, that's the most sensible thing anyone has said. KP messed it up again.

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    9. I'm not sure what you meant by your 9:17 remark, Robin: "KP messed it up again." Are you saying it is KP's fault that the royals spoke of the pregnancy at the wedding? It is a bit like blaming the Washington Post for publicising the actions of certain people." Don't kill the messenger" might apply. ( for example, note situations in Turkey, China, N Korea etc.There is a current, dangerous trend of those in power to blame the press/social media for reporting on their less admirable activities)
      Sometimes I think criticizing KP is a back-handed method of criticizing William. He is technically the ranking royal of KP. However, I doubt William either hires the staff or has ultimate say over what appears in their Twitter posts. As far as I know, Clarence House does. It is by job description the royals' private secretaries who charged with clearing content. I'm not sure this procedure is currently operating.
      I maintain that the comment was a PR move to head off criticism of H&M that the DM and BBC touched off with their stories. The initial "mess up" was the choice to announce the pregnancy so close to the wedding, not the reporting of it.
      I have commented that I feel this choice was an unfortunate exercise in expediency with the tour also being on the eve of the wedding. Some would call it "collateral damage."( I dislike that term and the mind-set associated with it.)
      KP employees neither set the wedding date, the tour dates, not the timing of the announcement. They just had to deal with the fall-out from the conjunction.

      Then, again, maybe it was the weekend, nightshift, de-caffeinated aspect to blame.

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    10. Of course I'll let Robin speak for herself Anon 1. But since she was responding to my post, I'm going to chime in. If I  understood this post and your earlier reply to me correctly (do let me know if I didn't), your hypothesis is that Charles somehow knew in advance the BBC, a respected news source so far as I know, was going to report on Monday the pregnancy news was shared Friday "at the wedding." (Does the BBC routinely run its news reports by Charles? If so, why? Do they want his input or an assurance of accuracy? I admit I don't understand the relative lack of a free press in the UK re: the royals.) Charles, realizing it might appear tacky if it was reported his son and daughter-in-law chose that day and place to share their news, either tried and failed to correct the erroneous report (assuming it WAS erroneous and that is an assumption) or he didn't try to change the report. Rather, Charles figured KP carries more weight than the BBC and any announcement from KP was sure to be widely quoted around the world. So he ordered KP to be sure and mention the wedding in the pregnancy announcement---an announcement that would *precede* the BBC story (but leave out Eugenie's name which I think would/should have been included in a formal announcement IF her wedding was mentioned.) He told KP to say the couple was *congratulated at the wedding.* He assumed that particular wording would somehow "unlink" the pregnancy news from the wedding in the public's eyes regardless of the BBC report (a report many people might not read anyway!) He also thought that by seeming to suggest Camilla was one of the royals who congratulated the couple at the wedding, people might be convinced she was there when she wasn't, just in case of negative press about her absence.

      If that's the hypothesis, I think it's kind of far-fetched. The simpler explanation (Occam's razor!) is that KP did indeed mess up as previously stated. And the KP announcement encouraged much unnecessary speculation about whether the bridal couple was upstaged by the gestating couple.

      I can't speak for others' criticism of KP. But mine aren't a backdoor way to criticize Will (Or Charles, if he's running KP as you've suggested.) I just think KP does a very poor job much too often. I've mentioned some examples in an earlier post. Another example: releasing that awful, creepy gothic film of the children's party from the Cambridges last Canadian tour. Ugh. I don't know anyone who liked it. And as I recall, some people were terribly upset the highlights video for last year released by KP didn't include Kate's pregnancy. I thought leaving that out was appropriate---what if she'd lost the baby? And that video was out there? Better to mention the birth in the highlight video for next year. But my point is, people from many perspectives find KP's work lacking. A PR/Communications shop should not be THE story so often! And shouldn't seem to stumble so often.

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  31. Perhaps what people who are team "how rude to ruin E & J wedding" might consider is that the royals have been doing this stuff for a very long time. Harry/Meghan didn't make the announcement, the Palace did and they doubtless took into consideration every possible issue and every scenario around the release of the news, including many about which we are unaware. They would seem to do nothing without thoughtful planning and much consultation, including, perhaps, with the PM (as I understand from observing other similar royal family situations). Also to consider is that, while it may seem shocking to some Americans, quite possibly Brits--and particularly duty-bound and stoic royals--don't see it as stepping on E & J's day.

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    1. Considering the tension and power struggle between Charles and Andrew over the years, I think rank/attention matters very much.

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    2. I also wondered why the official wedding photos were published so quickly. I thought they usually appeared several days later. Perhaps my memory is hazy. I did love how they weren't perfect---the children's expressions and general attitude were so real and delightful to see. Savannah's foot on Eugenie's train! Someone has a wry sense of humor or at least a modest sense of self and one's own importance. What other bride would allow this? Not many. Maybe Eugenie and Jack themselves couldn't give a flip about sharing their happy day. Maybe the timing of Sarah's tweet was coincidence.
      This whole mix of wedding/tour/baby was an unfortunate juxtaposition of singularly happy events that were on a collision course. Someone's feelings/PR was bound to be hurt. I agree with royalfan that Sarah's tweet suggested that the Yorks took a hit.
      Harry and Meghan were set to begin a tour that could reap great benefit for GB in their post Brexit economic well-being as well as the wounded veteran's charity. I also agree that the baby announcement could have distracted from the tour--Meghan's remarks about their "first baby gift" ---appropriate for the immediate situation but hopefully not a theme for the tour. It seems everyone is chiming in with baby gifts now .
      I do think the long term outcome of the announcement timing will be increased positive attention for the tour and incidentally for the message--we are all one in the Commonwealth in an economic sense, which is always a desired outcome.
      In short--- I think expediency won the day over personal feelings. Unfortunately.

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    3. Agree, royalfan. Unfortunately Eugenie's wedding and Harry's baby landed in the middle of a power struggle and just plain sibling rivalry. The difference is--they aren't just playing one-upmanship for Mum's approval. This rivalry is serious business and effects all who get in the way.
      Lizzie- I think KP PR is primarily under Charles's control, not Andrew's. I don't for a moment think that Charles would allow a negative reflection on Harry. I don't think it represented some flunky's carelessness. There was a point to it. My view is that the post was a calculated attempt to smoothe over the criticism of Harry and Meghan's announcement at the wedding that was enflamed by the story from BBC (that was picked up by others.) Otherwise known as "spinning." I don't think the KP post started controversy; I think it was an attempt to prevent it.
      Remember the last time the rivalry got out of hand? We had an emergency meeting at BP, followed by tabloid "exclusives" and some major shifting in the personnel around the royals.

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    4. Hmmm. Interesting idea, Anon 1. I was under the strong impression though the KP announcement of the pregnancy (including the ill-advised words about congratulations being given "at the wedding") preceded---by minutes, but still preceded---the stories about the pregnancy in the press, not the other way around. So while it's an interesting idea, I don't think I buy your scenario. I do agree there are always power struggles though. And it's possible there WAS an overt intent to divert attention from Andrew's daughter by making sure the pregnancy was announced to relatives at her wedding or at least became a major topic of discussion there. Very bad form I think but given that the royals used to kill off each other in their quests for power.... Regardless of the news stories, I know we don't know for sure *when* the announcement was made to the family. All that we have that is official is the KP public announcement. And still I think it was a mistake to tie announcing the pregnancy to the wedding. Maybe it was done to shield H&M from expected criticism because of the underlying timing and M's oddly loose wedding outfit but it surely did not do that---just as the absurd KP blurb about Will having to "rest" per air regulations vs doing royal work when not flying, just as the whole St. Pat's debacle wasn't helped---at all--by KP's fumbling, rolling explanations about Kate's absence that year. Still, it's hard to believe a supposedly professional PR team could be SO incompetent SO often so maybe you're onto something.

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    5. "Her day", "her baby", "power", etc...and LOVE and SHARE?? Can't a family share a wedding, a pregnancie, someone won the lottery or get a better job?? As a Catholic and I think this religion is not perfect, that's a circus. Here is a sacrament shared with the love ones. Nobody might attend a circus like that, more like a civil wedding in Hollywood.It is not the bride's day if not the parents' one who wed both, the bride and the groom. We need to pass a course about the marriage, run for three months. A shame.
      Obviouly a civil wedding is more informal, you can choose.

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    6. As she were Anne Boleyn....Harry is not Charles...She has not flirted with him...

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    7. In a time of publicized stories of "bridezillas" I too have been loathe to see weddings as totally bride-centric. I agree weddings should be enjoyable for all who attend. While I don't seek them out though, I've read stories (and sometimes personally heard of) brides throwing tantrums for various reasons such as: the cost of a guest's present seemingly to be less than the cost of food per-person at the reception,  failure of guests to contribute "sufficient" cash to pay for the wedding or honeymoon, refusal of a bridesmaid to change her appearance (lose weight, get a tan, bleach her teeth, dye her hair, etc) prior to the wedding, refusal of the mother of the bride or groom to wear a hideous dress chosen by the bride, refusal of the bride's parents to mortgage their home to pay for the bride's "dream wedding" Not on the same scale but still irritating, at a wedding I attended, all the guests--including some who were quite elderly-- were kept standing outside the church reception hall in the blazing August sun (in the southern US--it was very humid and probably 90° F) for nearly an hour while the bridal party re-enacted the ceremony in the sanctuary for pictures to be taken. (The invitation said the reception would immediately follow the ceremony.) So I'm not arguing for entitled brides. But I do think it's fair for the bride (& groom) to be the  focus of attention on that one day and not have to "compete" with news from others. I feel the same about funerals. A funeral usually involves a gathering of family members just as a wedding does. But it's not the time to announce one's "big news" in my opinion. I've seen it done and the immediate family of the deceased was quite hurt. Yes, life goes on but that one day isn't the time to point that out.

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    8. lizzie--I am pretty sure KP/BP was aware of the BBC statement prior to their own KP release. I did say the criticism of the announcement "was enflamed" by the BBC statement. I think the trusty DM fits in here somewhere; I'm not sure where.
      I agree there were possibly past gaffs in PR handling by KP. There have been some changes made since then. Charles has definitely taken control. The rollout for Harry, his new roles, as well as Meghan's related cookbook event ,all leading to the all-important tour and the emphasis on Commonwealth --(that tour originated as a private charity project for Harry and was scheduled in Sydney at least year before and prior to Brexit going South and Harry's engagement announcement, by the way)--that rollout and promotion of the tour was an exercise in expert PR work.
      The shamrock situation was leaped upon and enlarged upon by a prominent royal reporter to the point that stories that followed were actually vague on what KP itself actually had said. I think that reporter was much more responsible for the ensuing bad PR than KP writers were. He pointedly misinterpreted the intent of the KP statement to make Kate look bad. The KP statement, by itself, was not a fumble. There was interference on the play.(to use American football terms.) KP's mistake was telling the truth about the situation, which is often avoided in the PR world. I don't remember the exact words of the KP statement about William and his future plans. Again, I remember too well what critics said in response; KP's message was obliterated in a offensive pile-up. I do know the tabloid writers made a political football out of KP's perhaps poor choice of words. OK , so my football analogy wears thin here.

      Perhaps I have come upon another possible view to KP promotion: Harry good; William bad. OR...Perhaps royals, as TV performers do, have writers specific to the royal. If so, it may be that whoever was responsible for William's press some years ago worked the sparse nightshift and someone had forgotten to buy coffee. ;+()

      The wedding and birth announcement occurred nearly simultaneously; that's why KP mentioned them together. Both stories broke over the weekend.

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  32. I don't think the Prime Minister was in on Harry and Megan's baby announcement. Harry is well known but at this point he is fifth in line to the throne. The fifth in line when Charles was married was Margaret's son David. I think sadly the power struggle for attention between Charles and Andrew is reflected again in Charles's attitude to public attention to the Cambridge family. They did not need to mention the baby news in connection to Eugenie's wedding at all in the announcement. It just resulted in silly speculation.

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    1. Sorry, the 6th...Charles, william, George, Charlotte, Louis....

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    2. I may have missed something, but the first place I saw the whole thing about H&M telling the family about the baby was at DM. It may just be me, but I tend not to believe what is written at that site. Who knows the real story. This could be fiction.

      Not to get started with the Princess Eugenie fans, but she did have a more elaborate wedding than Zara and some of the other cousins. I am old enough to remember when Andrew and Sarah were married. At the time it was really questioned why they had such and extravagant wedding. As the second son, it was considered over the top. It seems (yet, another rumor) that Andrew pushed for his daughter to have her big day. The person I feel sorry for is Bea. What if Charles is King by the time of her wedding. She may not get the same kind of wedding as her sister.

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    3. Correction. At the time of Prince Charles marriage, David Armstrong-Jones was 8th in line to the throne. Charles, Andrew, Edward, Anne, Peter Phillips, Zara Phillips, Princess Margaret.....

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  33. Jane, I just wanted to write to say that I'm glad you're allowing for discussion by those who think that KP mishandled this announcement, and concerns about Zika. A lot of bloggers are nipping any mention of those topics but I feel, even as fans of Meghan and Harry, there are some big mis-steps happening right now that are worth discussing. While it's important to remain civil, and not delve into ridiculous comments about surrogates etc, the royals are NOT perfect, and they and their handlers do make mistakes.

    I personally feel it was a huge mistake for KP to reference congratulations at the wedding (and not see that that makes the couple look bad) as well as announcing the pregnancy so soon after the wedding. From a PR perspective, if Meghan were opting out of the "zika portions" of this trip, I would completely understand the timing of the announcement, but to announce that, simultaneously with the fact that they are going against common medical advice is just silly (and no, I don't believe they have some magic doctor- I'm sure they were advised the risk was LOWER and they are opting to take the chance- something I don't agree with.)

    I place much more blame on KP than the couple, but I'm really unhappy Meghan is taking this risk with Zika when the public would fully understand her sitting it out.

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    1. Here's another way to look at the assertion that "the public would fully understand her sitting out" all portions of the tour in places where Zika is suspected to be a risk: the optics of a British royal undertaking a taxpayer funded trip to a former colony who then decides it is too "unsafe" to visit. To assume that Meghan opting out couldn't or wouldn't ruffle a few diplomatic feathers is willfully naive. I am not trying to minimize the risk that Zika can pose or to deny that Zika is present in some of the areas they will travel to. Every single pregnant royal will be faced with some risk because that is the nature of life - and in this case after consulting with medical advice (no not a "magic doctor" but a doctor considered sufficiently qualified to offer medical advice to the BRF) the Sussexes have made a choice. I would further note that the risk is being taken in the context of a royal tour and it is not as if Meghan is jetting off to a Zika hotbed for a personal vacation. It's fair to disagree about whether or not the risk is worth taking, but it's not fair to pretend that there isn't more than one PR angle that needs to be considered.

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    2. I live in Sydney and KP knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they released the pregnancy announcement at the start of the Australian tour. Carefully timed baby news = a bigger turn out. There isn't anywhere near as much interest here in them as in the Cambridges and when they came here in they brought Prince George echoing when the Wales came here they brought a baby Prince William. The Sussex couple are attempting to fit into that tradition that has worked very well with the Australian press and public in the past. As our population demographics have changed significantly over the past ten years a smaller and smaller percentage of the population have a heritage that ties them to GB so it's harder to get the interested more junior members of the BRF. Some of my colleagues were passing the Opera House for a business meeting yesterday and were interested in seeing why there was all this press there(none of them even knew the couple were coming here as the Telegraph is rather like the Daily Mail), they were able to just walk straight up to take a photo the crowd was so small. If it wasn't for the baby news it would have been even smaller.

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    3. Camilla opted out of travel to several islands during their last Australia tour and returned home before Charles because she reportedly feared travel on small aircraft. I don't know what the "optics" were for that decision.

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    4. Thank you AmyLou for your coming from Australia input. Timing is Everything. I bet you are so right.

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    5. AmyLou, now, that makes a lot of sense! Perfect timing indeed.

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    6. I think if Meghan opted out of going to places where Zika could be a factor I would think much more of her and much less of whatever diplomat had a problem with it.

      AmyLou, thanks for your perspective. My husband has distant cousins in Australia and they were really peeved that a "stupid wedding" and a visit from "some royals" preempted the "footy" they wanted to watch.

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    7. Anon 3:26, you're making valid points but I don't believe KP would need to offer safety (Zika) reasons as being behind Meghan's absence. She could be "having a difficult time during this early stage of pregnancy and regrets very much that she will not be able to proceed with the tour as planned". Then she kisses hubby goodbye and wishes him well because his success is their success. It *was* an option and while some folks may have been disappointed, I think Harry would have come home with the same number of baby gifts. Personally, I don't think she would have missed this for the world. I, too, believe she enjoys the spotlight very much.

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    8. Other royals who enjoy the spotlight very much: Fergie, Eugenie, Beatrice, Diana.

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  34. I may sound ridiculous but personally, I would not set foot in any area having the risk of Zika at this early stage of pregnancy, a tour is a tour is a tour......the whole deal, Meghan looking "pregnant" at the wedding when clearly she could have avoided that, announcing a pregnancy while in Australia etc, etc. The entire tour is now focused on Meghan and the pregnancy. Meghan and Harry obviously did not just find out they were pregnant on Friday. It just does not seem to be the usual well-oiled machine of KP. My two cents. And, yes, a baby is always fabulous!

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    1. Technically speaking if the risk of Zika is so high that Meghan shouldn’t travel, then neither should Harry since he could get infected and transmit it to her and the baby.

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    2. Anonymous, that is easily avoided with using protection, which is advised in these circumstances.

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    3. CeeCee sometimes protection fails just like whatever precautions Meghan can take to prevent herself gettting bitten aren’t foolproof either. My point was that if even a 1% risk is unacceptable then neither of them should go because you can not eliminate 100% of the risk.

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    4. For some perspective: there has been only 1 confirmed case of Zika in Fiji in the past 2 years & that case did not result in any birth defects. Not every country on the Zika risk map had the same risk. And there is a point where their schedule has Harry going to a forest whilst Meghan goes a different event indoors. At some point the plane ride to and from Australia becomes more statistically dangerous than the mosquitoes in Fiji.

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    5. I live in the SE US. We have had some cases of zika here. Plenty of pregnancies too. Apparently **doctors** think this is okay.

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  35. I can’t imagine how mortified Kate, who by all accounts is a kind and caring woman, would be to read the things written by her “fans” about her new sister-in-law. If it was me in her position I would be so embarrassed and ashamed.

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    1. Why? Do you think she identifies herself with her fans? Feels responsible for what they think? Or is even conscious they exist? Kate is a nice person and I am sure wouldn't like to hear critics of her sister in-law whom she has been at pains to make very welcome in the family. But I am sure she never reads what is written about her.
      Speaking personally, I do not consider myself a fan, the concept is strange IMO. I started reading about Kate because of the fashion, wonderful, then went on to think she has a likeable personality and to approve the life choices she makes. If Meghan were not Kate's sister in law, I would find her as uninteresting as Sophia of Sweden and for the same reasons.

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    2. Lauri, I think this conversation has been quite civil. No one has been bashing Harry or Meghan, no calling them terrible people- it's been a questioning of their decisions, which, as public figures, kind of goes with the territory.

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  36. After re-reading this thread I venture to comment that I don't think in general the comments in this discussion are cruel or outside the boundaries that Jane clearly requests.
    It is robust conversation about the role of the palace and many members of the family in relation to each other and their public. I found especially the many comments about Zika very interesting especially having the opportunity to read the many points of view represented.

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  37. Having read the comments, that is my take on it: KP timed the announcement to boost the tour, not to detract from it. They mentioned the wedding because they wanted to show they approved of it and it was an happy RF event that showed family unity. In all this there was not a though given to Eugenie's feelings because the point was to promote H&M and the RF as a whole.

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  38. I always find it amazing that people speculate motives, feelings etc... from an announcement or a photograph. It's one thing to speculate for fun but to ascribe negative motivations to people based on how they looking in a picture or what the Daily Mail said is unfair. As a wise person once said, "you don't know what you don't know". Also, why second guess the advice of Meghan's doctors regarding Zika? Women live and get pregnant every day in Fiji, should they all stop having babies?

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    1. Marianne, it's my understanding (from studies I've read) that once you've had zika you don't contract it again. I would imagine then, if you have Zika as a young child or adult and become pregnant later on, you and your baby would be fine.

      I've read a lot on this subject as my husband and I are considering when we want to have children, but are going on a trip to a high risk zika zone next year. Some doctors even go so far as to recommend waiting 6 months after travel to a zika zone to conceive, so that is what we will do. It's just not a risk I'm willing to take for my (hopefully) future children. This is contributing to my shock at this decision.

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    2. The last case of Zika in Fiji or Tonga was in 2016. There haven't been any cases in 2017 or 2018. I don't find it a shocking decision at all. They may be public figures, but this is their private choice. I'm not sure why it's appropriate to second-guess it, especially when that second-guessing comes with judgment. It reminds me of a pregnant woman having a glass of wine with dinner and people commenting on her choice. I feel it's really not our business to comment on these kind of personal choices. YMMV.

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    3. Actually, Meghan reportedly was sipping both Champagne and mint tea on a flight to Toronto. Which was an interesting combination for the pregnancy speculators. Apparently, she was pregnant at the time. On the Cambridge trip to SE Asia prior to George, there were fierce arguments over whether or not Catherne's glass contained water or white wine. Turns out she was not pregnant, anyway.
      my doctor actually prescribed a small glass of wine in the evening to aid in sleep. That was years ago, of course. It worked and the baby now has babies and is a successful career woman.

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  39. Hello! magazine reports that Harry has said "she is 4 months pregnant"...

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  40. Question: there is nothing on Kate’s calendar at the moment. Should one assume that is because of the Sussex’s being on tour, and not to draw attention away? If so, then outside of one short engagement in Oct., Kate’s maternity leave has been extended another whole month.

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    1. Based on news that has come out it sounds like she is taking low profile meetings, perhaps in anticipation of taking the spotlight back once she wouldn't be competing with the tour. Just because she isn't spotted out and about doesn't mean that she isn't working.

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    2. Didn't she have three engagements in October?

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    3. Only two in October, as I think its okay not to count wedding appearences.
      She probably had more in June (two times wimbledon and some other RAF appearence I think) when she was officially still on Maternity leave - so in my view, she is still on leave at the moment.

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    4. I just went back and checked. Kate had three public engagements in Oct: the Forest School, the mental health summit and the photography center at the V&A. This week, she had a private charity meeting for her early childhood initiative and a reception with William for teen award finalists. So, she's not on maternity break anymore but obviously doing low profile and under the radar tyoe engagements so not to take attention away from the tour.

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    5. With that little engagements I start wondering: did actually anyone say that her maternity leave has ended? 3 engagements vs. what she did in June (or was it July?) is not a real difference. Who said that her leave has ended?

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  41. Very poor taste to announce your babynews on someone else's wedding. Meghan rushes into royal life and motherhood too quickly. I know she is 37 but I have a bad feeling about all this. You give up life as you know it (a very good carreer, your home, privacy) to marry your prince and just months after the altar to the delivery room. Don't get me wrong but they are claerly on cloud 9 and I wish them happiness but I have mixed feelings. I remember Kate as newly royal, perfectly polished and now we have Meghan Messy Hair with her 'Serena Williams clothes' God please take your function serious instead of your desire to be popular. She is making headlines with 'breaking protocol' but excuse me monarchy is about protocol and about mystical. Get a hairdresser, a stylist and come after your maternity leave back as a proper Duchess.

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    1. What a thoroughly nasty comment. Ugh. I feel grubby just reading it.

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    2. This is completely uncalled for. She did not mention it at the wedding, per the Kensington Palace statement the family was able to congratulate both Meghan and Harry and the wedding. You all are acting like she got a bull horn and announced during the congregation. Jane I beg you to please stop reporting on Meghan, your commenters so clearly do not like her and I fear they will go after her innocent child, no one deserves that.

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    3. If I could not speak at someone else wedding, I would not attend, she can be a star alone. You do not tell things , so you directly get drunk?? Everyone must do an effort buying clothes, a gift, sometimes a hotel....they always can say not to go.
      I got married many years ago and each guess said me that they had had a lovely time. I worked to that not to be a star.

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    4. I don't find Anonymous 6:58's comments nasty at all. In fact, I have some similar feelings of ambivalence. I too wish her happiness but I am cautiously optimistic about this as I am with all whirlwind romances. That's not being nasty, just realistic. Meghan is a public figure and her words are subject to speculation. For instance, would a true "feminist" leave her career, her country, her friends and family, her privacy, her freedom for a man? It seems like she gave up everything and Harry gained everything. It is her choice of course but why keep going on about being a feminist? Just go out and do good work for women of the world and gain everyone's respect. As far as suggestions that Jane stop reporting on Meghan because "commenters so clearly do not like her and I fear they will go after her innocent child," that will never happen on this site. First, most commenters here are exceptionally kind and measured, and second, Jane would not allow such comments to pass moderation. I am thrilled to get an extra dose of royal watching so carry on, Jane.

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  42. Royal 👑 WatcherOctober 18, 2018 at 8:08 AM

    Gosh, this used to be the "Friendly Blog". Why so much gossip and speculation, when we really do not know what is going on. The Royal Family are VERY proper when it comes to delivering statements regarding events such as pregnancy. Of course Harry and Meghan had told everyone before Eugenie's wedding, anything else would be preposterous. Andrew and Fergie do not have to tweet or instagram anything about it, but will of course still be happy for Harry and Meghan. Nobody has stolen anyone's thunder, and Kate will visit Pippa and the baby at home, away from the media circus that follows her around. I am sure Kate would want to protect Pippa from all that. I was in London just before the announcement of Prince Louis' name, and boy was KP surrounded by media vans left, right and centre. I would not wish that upon my worst enemy, let alone my beloved sister who just had a baby. Pippa is by now surely safely at home, and Kate visiting as needed.
    I urge you all to think of this logically and to be kind. What is the reasonable explanation? What would my family do in this situation? What is the normal thing to do? Well, that is probably what is happening. That is all I have to say about that.

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    1. In my experience any family wedding; silver wedding; golden wedding or any other fabily "get together" is the ideal time to get up to date on what's happening. That's surely what most families do.
      No one gets offended.
      If Eugenie thought she had been sidelined, she would not have published the lovely informal picture of her and Jack with the children, where all attention is on Charlotte

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    2. Where was Pippa mentioned in this thread? Perhaps I missed something? Or you are thinking of something you read on another blog? I have not read any poor press around Pippa's new baby here on this blog.

      "Gossip and speculation? " Ha! That is 90% of royal watching and always has been. If we waited for verified facts there would be little to discuss.
      There is a difference between speculation based on what is known and historical precedent and outright fabrication.I feel most of the discussion by regular commenters here is friendly. Some of us are more opinionated than others but the opinions are generally reasonably stated and intelligently and sometimes humorously re-butted.There are random hit and run comments by unidentified commenters but they are probably the fall-out from free discussion.

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    3. Ladies, Sarah uses social media on a regular basis; therefore, I do think it's telling that there was no reference to H&M's announcement. (Especially since one of her comments was posted one minute after the announcement.) Let's face it, if we didn't have a baby announcement first thing Monday morning, more time and attention would have been devoted to discussing the wedding and speculating about a honeymoon destination. Does anyone truly believe that Andrew and Sarah we're not even a little miffed about this?

      Anon1, I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph in this thread. There IS a difference, isn't there?

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  43. Saw this, dear Jane? https://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/royal-style/2018101963642/kate-middleton-whistles-polka-dot-dress-radio-1/

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